How To Make Time – Ep170

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My name is James Kademan, entrepeneur,

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author, speaker and helpful coach to small
business owners across the country.

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And today I am excited because we have
Vivian Probst here in the studio.

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Vivian is an author of a few books,
as well as taking on essentially

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the English language, as well as, consulting
for, I want to say, low income.

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But you get different phrase,
affordable housing.

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There’s a lot of stuff going on.

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So let’s welcome Vivian here.
Thank you so much.

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It’s great to be with you again.
This is fun.

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So I interviewed you a long time ago.

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We were trying to figure
out when it’s been a while.

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Yeah.

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You let’s start out with the books
that you have going on.

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OK, you have another one coming out.

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You’ve already released one.
Yeah.

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Can you just tell us about the process,

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what the books are about
and you just take it for you?

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Absolutely.

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This is a five volume series I’ve
been working on for 20 years.

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And that either means, gee,
Vivian, what’s taking you so long?

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Or I’ve been doing other
things which I have.

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I’ve had this consulting business

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and we work with affordable
housing all over the country.

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It’s just a great program.

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So I’m a national trainer to that.

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So that keeps me busy.
All right.

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This has woven itself into my life.

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And it was just

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20-20 was a year to celebrate the 100th
anniversary of women’s right to vote.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So my books, I decided that year
that this year they’re coming out.

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They’re written.
All right.

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They’re not edited.

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I’ve got this one now is done.

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And then I have the second one.

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And I think your viewers will be able

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to see the cover of that one
and three more to work on.

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And I want them out this year.

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So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So are the books fiction or nonfiction?

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Oh, they’re they’re fiction.

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OK, they’re fiction except…All right.

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That I wrote them,

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each of them sort of showed up when
I was dealing with a life challenge.

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Oh.
For instance, book one.

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The main character who is comes
across throughout all five, by the way,

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there’s overlay of romance, there is
overlay of mystery. Ok. There overlays,

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but the real reason I started writing is

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because I was frustrated
by what I wasn’t accomplishing.

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I mean, it sounds like, oh, Vivian,
you have your own company and oh,

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my goodness, you’ve been doing
this all over the country and wow.

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And but I had some real issues
to deal with just internally.

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Well, yeah, internally.

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And they showed up externally.
All right.

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One

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showed up because I was making a very,

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very comfortable living, but I
couldn’t hold on to any of my money.

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Oh, and, you know,
I’m willing to tell the world about

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that because writing this story
fixed that problem for me.

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Oh, all right.
Oh, it started out as a dream simply.

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You know, sometimes

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you just beg for an answer,
you know? And I was laying in bed one

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night and I’m like, good grief, Vivian,
you’re making all this money

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and look at your credit cards,
what’s going on here? So I just

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I don’t know if I said it out loud or
what, but I kind of just said, OK,

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whatever is going on here,
I want to know the answer.

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All right.
So is this a.

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Buying cars or fun stuff,
or was it just just, oh, whatever,

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it’s going away or whatever
I could think of stuff.

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OK,

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and clothing, OK was a big
piece and furniture.

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All right.
So stuff you couldn’t necessarily turn around. Jewelry.

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And
I just felt like I had to exemplify

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the best of everything,
no matter what it cost.

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All right.

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The need to look like I
had really arrived, OK?

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It was an image that I
had I had put on myself.

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All right.

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So I go to bed this night and March 10th
of 2000, so you can see this precise.

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Yeah, it is.

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I wrote it down because the next
morning I woke up, I had a dream.

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And

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the dream is in this book,
but it’s only a piece of it.

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All right.
And so

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in the dream, I’m in a dungeon,
medieval dungeon.

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I’m chained, which really.

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So you can’t go shopping if
you’re chained in a dungeon.

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So, yeah.
So so not a whole lot of online.

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So.

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I decided not to use myself as
the character, so I created a character

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who isn’t me, but she just had my major
issues and she’s in this dungeon.

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And the first character that shows up

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is the spirit of her financial woes.

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Oh, and he tells her,
your issue is not with money,

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you know.
So what was I going to do? I woke up

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from that and I told my husband,
I have to know the rest of the story.

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That’s helpful.
Sure.

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But it doesn’t get me where I want to go.
All right.

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So

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I’ve always wanted to write and I’ve
written for our industry,

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but I’ve never really
tried to invent a story like this series.

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So I did.

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And OK,

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if anyone here wants to see what

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my writing life is like and that of lots
of other fiction writers,

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the movie The Man Who Invented Christmas,
OK, it’s about Charles Dickens.

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Oh.
And how he wrote his stories.

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And you see that the characters show up

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and they talk and they
tell him what to write.

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And if he refuses,
they get they get up and leave.

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Oh, well, you know, I mean,

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it’s a great depiction
of what it was like to write the series.

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And so all I did was listen to what
was going on, listen to the characters

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and life wrote the story.
All right.

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Through me, I mean.

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Stephen King

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says stories pretty much right themselves,
right, and they do, especially fiction.

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I love fiction because you can make up
anything and doesn’t have to be true.

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Oh, totally.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
You can just do whatever you want.

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Mm hmm.

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And so I finished that first
book in six weeks.

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I was six weeks.
Yeah.

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Well, that’s pretty cool.
See, it’s not a thick book,

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but there were three characters
who show up their messengers.

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They each have a message for my main
character, Avery, Victoria Spencer.

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Oh, well, they have a message for her.

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And I just went off in my mind
a little bit because

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because when I name the character,
I had no idea that if you put those names

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all together in a row,
you get a very victorious pen, sir.

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Wow.
I’m a linguist, I guess.

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And I.

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I love English and I love
working with English.

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But anyway,

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so she went on her her journey and she met
up with these characters

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and got her issues resolved,
OK, which resolved my issues.

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So it’s like watching a movie.

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If you could put

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money in a machine and tell the machine,
answer my questions or take care

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of my issues in a story form,
you know, that’s fun.

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Yeah.
Wouldn’t that just be it?

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Mm hmm.
So that’s what happened to me.

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So every time I went through
five challenges over.

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Well, I’m sure I’m sure
there are more than that.

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But there were five
that turned in big ones.

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Yeah.

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I had one lady say, OK, are you
done with all your issues now?

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Are you.
No, no, no, no.

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But those are the ones I’ve written about.

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And so I think writing stories and making
them fiction is a really good way to get

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through issues and not
get bogged down in them.

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And that’s what happened to me.

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So that’s why I wrote this first story.

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And

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the message to these characters
is just extraordinary.

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Interesting.
I could not believe there is the this is

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the next spirit is
the spirit of greatness.

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Oh, sounds like a good one.
A great one.

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Well, yeah.
Yes, yeah.

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And

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that really

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impressed me because most of us I don’t
think think about there being greatness.

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Oh totally.
Yes.

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Which is unfortunate.

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Extremely unfortunate
because we are all gifted.

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We are all.

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I don’t even know what to say,

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but we’re all for everyone’s unique skills
and perspectives, there’s value in that.

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There is for all of us.

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Most people aren’t willing or aren’t aware
or are comfortable in the complacency.

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Well, and when I had that dream
and I wrote the first book, it was.

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This is not just for you, Vivian.

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Oh, yeah, I mean, this is for anyone.

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Who has issues and wants to read a story
that might help them get through it?

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And then the third character is the spirit
of abundant joy and incredible fun.

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Now, when you’re in debt.

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Yeah, when you’re in debt,
you’re not thinking about greatness.

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Probably not so much.
Probably not thinking about abundant join.

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Incredible fun because the burden

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of carrying financial debt is
at this puts you in despair.

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So this first volume isdissolving.

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Her despair is the subtitle
because she’s in such despair.

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Now, this this woman’s a bank president.

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Oh, she is not me, but she

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ok, she is so gifted with other
people’s money, all right.

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That she can take care of their issues.

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By the way,

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the geographical location is Waukesha,
Wisconsin, because I’ve lived there for 40

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years and I love the city and some of its
history and authenticity.

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But so

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the story takes place there.

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And so that gave me a nice foundation.

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But she’s so she’s president of a bank

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in Waukesha in the 1970s
and she can work magic.

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Oh, with real estate transactions,
with investing.

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So, you know, the bank,

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everybody flocks to the bank because
she’s so good at what she does.

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But guess what about her own life?
Shambles.

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She’s a mess.
All right.

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She’s she’s on the verge
of bankruptcy and.

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Well, who ever heard of a bank
president filing for.

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Maybe they do.
I don’t know.

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But in my story, in my story,

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she doesn’t want that to happen
because that’ll ruin her.

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Right.
So she’s the desperate one.

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She’s the one that goes to bed and says

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somebody’s got to do something about this.

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I’m a I’m a reasonably intelligent person.

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Why can’t I get over this?

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And the reason she can’t get over it
is different than what my reason was.

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But the message you see,

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the message is still good for anyone
who’s struggling with financial issues.

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Sure.
No one that’s not about money.

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All right.
Right.

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No.
To

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think about who you are as a human being,

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there is greatness inside of you
that wants to be released and expressed.

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And if you’re withholding that,

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that could be part of the reason
that you’re struggling like you are.

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And number three, you’re not enjoying life

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enough and you’re not
having enough fun, fair?

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Yes.
Arguable for just anyone.

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Well, these are such universal concepts.

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And yet, for me, they triggered

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a turning point in my own
relationship with money.

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And I just want to share all of these
with anyone who’s interested.

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So they’re out, you know, two of them out.

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So when you tell your husband
on March 10th, twenty two thousand.

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Yeah.
You’re like, hey, I had this dream,

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I’m going to get out of debt.

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He wasn’t debt with you as well, right?
He wasn’t.

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What was he was in financial
dire straits as well.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I mean, it was a second
marriage for both of us.

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We had five children, OK?

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And so there were certainly issues.

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But

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no, I had my own issues, OK?

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And we kept separate financial
identities because back in those days,

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one spouse is ex could possibly come
after the other spouse’s funds.

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And we just wanted
that to not be a problem.

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Sure.

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So anyway,

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we were we were doing OK, but I was
the one who couldn’t stop spending money.

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I have every chance I got I was in a store
and you know, what I get now is

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I didn’t I didn’t have the greatness
piece from inside, all right?

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So I had to keep dressing up my life on
the outside, which is a good thing to do.

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Well, sure.
Yeah, but if it.

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If it is.

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The only reason that you’re spending money

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because you want to look a certain
way or be seen in a certain way,

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your inner life isn’t able to
get to you with anything.

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And that’s why, for me, money became this

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burden that I had to understand
in order to get out out of debt burden.

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Interesting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, debt is a burden.
Debt.

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Yes.
Yes.

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No money.
Yes.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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Thank you for the clarification.
Yeah.

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Money is good.
It’s a good thing that not so good.

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Yes.

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I suppose money in parentheses
is less than good

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money written in black is.
Yeah.

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Good.
Thank you.

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Thank you.
Yeah.

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So what made you decide to write a book

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versus just journaling or
something of that nature.

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Oh well this is really a good,
a good conversation.

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Before I wrote these books,
I had read a book by Julia Cameron.

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OK.
It’s called The Artist’s Way.

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Oh, sure.

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And I was looking for
a way to be artistic.

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I want to be very frank.

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I love what I do for my
consulting business.

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But fundamentally, it’s teaching tax
regulations for hours at a time.

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Sounds like a roller coaster.

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Oh, listen.
But I love it.

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All right.
All right.

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And the reason I love it

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is because I love teaching and I love it
when people understand what they’re doing.

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And when you’re in a program that delivers

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affordable housing around the country,
you’re doing good, you know?

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So I loved it for all those reasons.

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But it wasn’t what I wanted.

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It wasn’t the only thing
I wanted to do in life.

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It just kept me very busy.

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So I read her book and she says,

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you should write for 30
minutes every morning.

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Just it doesn’t matter what you write,
you just write for 30 minutes every

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morning because she says,
every one of us is an artist.

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We are all artists.

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And her way for you to find that is
to journal for 30 minutes every morning.

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And so I started doing that faithfully.
All right.

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All right.
And all of this everything that I’ve

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written, published, whatever has come
from taking that time to go inside.

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And it it doesn’t matter if it’s dramatic.

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If it doesn’t, does it
matter if it’s boring?

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It does.
Nothing matters except that you get it out

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because she says
once you get the top layer off,

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you get to who you really are,
you get to the real you are

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and then watch what happens, because then
whatever you really yearn for in your

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in your inner self, in your artistic life,
that starts to come forward.

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Gotcha.
So I just love it.

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I just reading that and I was my kids were

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getting older and so I could take
time in the morning to journal

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while they were getting ready
for school and and things like that.

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So I know a lot of people
say they don’t have time.

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Oh they’re wrong.
Yeah.

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Thank you so much.

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Because time expands and contracts

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according to what we
give our attention to.

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Correct.
It’s a quantum physics kind of thing.

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Parkinson’s law.
Yeah.

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Oh is that it?

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Parkinson’s law says that an activity will
take the amount of time that you give it.

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Oh yeah.

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And so and you could argue there’s
there’s discipline, self-control in there

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as well as far as writing down your
artistic stuff, working out,

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spending time with your kids,
getting work done,

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insert whatever you should be doing here
and you can make up excuses very easily.

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Oh, yeah.

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So there has to be a compelling reason

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to go from gee, I had a dream
to oh I’m going to write,

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I’m going to write a story
about that’s pretty big stuff.

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It is at least to get a published.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Well

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by the way, publishing these days is
super easy.

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Yeah.
I’m going to.

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Oh challenge that a little bit.

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Self publishing easy.
Yes.

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That’s said so I was going for a jog.
Let’s go.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There’s

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the tools you have for self published.

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You know how it is.
Extremely easy.

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Yeah.

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But it still has to be done
well and and that’s the point.

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There has to be something that compels you

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and it, I believe it has
to come from inside.

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Oh yeah.
That

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and that’s where I had to make a major

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life transition because I grew up
with within a framework that said,

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this is your life, this is what you
believe and this is what you will do.

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And I ended up.

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When I was twenty eight.

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Mm hmm.

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Realizing that I could not
live that way any longer.

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I mean, we all go through crises in life

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and at the age of twenty
eight, I said, no,

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that’s not my life.
Right.

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And I had to leave that way of life
in order to start my own stuff.

[00:20:21]
All right.
And and I think we all have to do that.

[00:20:24]
So the question is,
what drives you from inside?

[00:20:29]
What what gives you purpose and joy?

[00:20:32]
And I think to many of us, don’t go there.

[00:20:37]
Oh, it’s a great majority.
Don’t.

[00:20:38]
Yeah, yeah.

[00:20:40]
Just either they don’t know to ask

[00:20:42]
the question or they don’t believe
that they’re special in any way.

[00:20:47]
Yeah.

[00:20:48]
Or or maybe I guess that I’m
thinking about this.

[00:20:52]
Maybe they’re afraid of what the answer

[00:20:53]
may be or maybe they’re afraid
that they don’t know the answer.

[00:20:57]
It’s likefiguring that out.

[00:20:59]
Right.
My character goes through that.

[00:21:02]
Sure.
In this book,

[00:21:04]
when she’s meeting the spirit of greatness
because she’s never heard of greatness,

[00:21:10]
she’s very good at what she does.

[00:21:11]
But her her life has never told her or
taught her that she’s worth anything.

[00:21:20]
Just doing what she’s good at because

[00:21:22]
because when she was a child,
she didn’t have

[00:21:28]
money and the kids at school teased her
and blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

[00:21:31]
But she just decided

[00:21:34]
I’m going to be a bank president
because then I will have money.

[00:21:37]
And so it was a purely external

[00:21:43]
purpose for her.

[00:21:44]
But that’s OK now.
Not really.

[00:21:46]
No, no, no.

[00:21:48]
It it’s not satisfying.

[00:21:50]
I can’t I can only speak for me.

[00:21:52]
I can’t speak for the world.

[00:21:54]
But you get really tired of.

[00:21:59]
Doing things that aren’t satisfying or
getting stuck somewhere

[00:22:05]
or doing things because other people
told you this is your life, right?

[00:22:11]
This is what you should be doing.

[00:22:13]
And so I think there are junctures in life

[00:22:17]
where we all come to a place where we can
decide to do something different,

[00:22:22]
and that is to follow
what drives us inside.

[00:22:25]
Now, caution, please.

[00:22:27]
I’m not saying quit your day job and,
you know, walk the earth and come.

[00:22:33]
Yeah, well,

[00:22:36]
whatever works, right? I mean,
there are people who do that.

[00:22:39]
For me, it was just saying,
no, this is not my life.

[00:22:44]
I’m going to start living my life.

[00:22:47]
And that’s when all this great
stuff started happening.

[00:22:51]
But then so I have this great life,

[00:22:54]
this great business, and then I
get stuck spending too much money.

[00:22:58]
So that’s book one.
All right.

[00:23:00]
Got that done.

[00:23:02]
The next book, I became ill.
Oh.

[00:23:07]
Traveling all over the country,

[00:23:10]
changing time zones.

[00:23:12]
My doctor finally said,
you’ve got circadian rhythm dysfunction

[00:23:17]
just from never knowing what time zone
I’m in and having to change time zones.

[00:23:22]
And, oh, my heartbeat got irregular.

[00:23:26]
And then I experienced
my first panic attack.

[00:23:29]
Oh, dear.

[00:23:32]
Anyone who’s ever had them,

[00:23:35]
you’re just sure you’re dying and it’s
the most awful feeling in the world.

[00:23:38]
So the doctor told me you’re

[00:23:41]
you’re just trying to do too much
and you’ve got to stop.

[00:23:46]
And I’m like, what?

[00:23:48]
I’m not going to stop,
but I love what I do.

[00:23:52]
Right.
So book two, I’m laying in bed.

[00:23:57]
They put me on bed rest and they’re

[00:24:00]
waiting for my heart and all my circadian
rhythms to get back in sync, so to speak.

[00:24:09]
And I just start writing her next book

[00:24:14]
in the hospital.
I’m at home.

[00:24:16]
They didn’t ever have to.

[00:24:17]
Yeah, but but while I’m laying there,
you know, if it worked for my money

[00:24:22]
issues, the thought was like, well,
maybe it’ll work for this issue.

[00:24:27]
Why?

[00:24:28]
Why do I.

[00:24:31]
Exhaust myself constantly.

[00:24:34]
I mean, I was I was so weary,

[00:24:37]
but when you have a small company
and you’re the leader and you’re

[00:24:44]
making money and that supports other
people, you get you can get into this

[00:24:51]
this rut.

[00:24:52]
I’ve got to keep doing this because
I’ve got other people depending on me.

[00:24:57]
Yeah.
And you can

[00:25:00]
get yourself sick.

[00:25:03]
You can get all messed up over that.
Yeah.

[00:25:05]
You know, it’s interesting you say
that because my I have a couple of stories

[00:25:09]
about my dad with his own business
where he ended up getting pretty sick.

[00:25:14]
But I tell people in my business planning

[00:25:15]
class that your health is priority one
and your business, if you’re not careful,

[00:25:23]
will sacrifice your health because you’ll
essentially build your own prison.

[00:25:27]
That’ll lead to overwhelming stress.

[00:25:29]
And then your body is going to pump
the brakes for you if you don’t pump them

[00:25:32]
on yourself, see, and like,
hey, you need blood infection

[00:25:38]
and it’s not a bladder infection because

[00:25:40]
of external whatever
and some bad gas station sushi or

[00:25:44]
something like, I guess your body
just pumping the brakes ready or not.

[00:25:49]
Yeah, I got a diagnosis of interstitial
cystitis, which is related.

[00:25:53]
OK, and so it all culminated in.

[00:25:58]
All right, why are you doing this.
Yeah, well, stop it.

[00:26:02]
Sure.

[00:26:02]
So here comes volume two,
which releases June 1st.

[00:26:06]
Nice.
All right.

[00:26:07]
Yeah.
And that is all about unworthiness.

[00:26:12]
Unworthiness.
Yeah.

[00:26:13]
Isn’t that interesting that I thought,
oh, why am I ill and so tired?

[00:26:18]
And

[00:26:20]
that story takes you on a journey

[00:26:23]
of not feeling like you have
the right to take care of yourself.

[00:26:27]
You don’t have the right to be yourself.

[00:26:29]
Oh, you.

[00:26:32]
I mean, it was such a deep journey,
it was much deeper than the first one.

[00:26:37]
Yeah,

[00:26:39]
and the character comes to a pinnacle.

[00:26:41]
OK,

[00:26:43]
on top of a mountain.

[00:26:45]
And she has to choose whether to stay

[00:26:48]
there, OK, which is she really
confronts her fear in volume one.

[00:26:53]
She doesn’t confront fear.

[00:26:55]
She’s really

[00:26:59]
taken aback by this concept of

[00:27:03]
I’ve lost my train of thought of greatness
and it scares her.

[00:27:07]
OK, and so so in book two,
she has to confront that fear.

[00:27:13]
All right.
Which she does.

[00:27:15]
So underneath everything is this
sense that I don’t I don’t deserve.

[00:27:22]
And that plays out in Book two till she

[00:27:24]
comes to this pinnacle
and she has to decide,

[00:27:27]
am I going to stay on this
narrow precipice where I have to try

[00:27:33]
to balance for the rest of my life,
or am I going to freefall in.

[00:27:38]
Oh, yeah.

[00:27:40]
Choices of choice.
Oh, yeah.

[00:27:43]
Well, it’s fiction.

[00:27:44]
Surely the worst thing
you can say is I had no choice.

[00:27:50]
Like, I feel like there’s
always an option three.

[00:27:52]
There is.
There is.

[00:27:54]
In her case, I gave her only two
because I’d still be writing.

[00:27:58]
This isn’t war and peace.
Yeah.

[00:28:01]
OK, so she freefalls OK
into presents, all right.

[00:28:09]
She wakes up in a wonderful world because

[00:28:14]
she let go of holding on to her
fear and letting fear stop her.

[00:28:19]
So she chose Free-Fall.

[00:28:20]
She and she freefalls into freedom, OK?

[00:28:23]
And all kinds of magical
things happen now.

[00:28:25]
There’s a man involved and there’s horse.

[00:28:28]
You know, there’s there’s all.

[00:28:30]
Kinds of things going on, but that’s book,
too, and that’s coming out June 1st.

[00:28:33]
All right.
And I had to deal with that because

[00:28:38]
you cannot tap into your greatness
if you think you’re worthless.

[00:28:43]
It’s I mean, I suppose it’s
the polar opposites, right?

[00:28:47]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:49]
And that’s what was happening
in my business life.

[00:28:52]
People were enjoying what I was doing.

[00:28:55]
They were paying me well.

[00:28:57]
And yet there was this
sense of unworthiness.

[00:29:01]
I would get up and teach and I get done.

[00:29:05]
And then I would just criticize myself.
Oh yeah.

[00:29:08]
I mean, it was a horrible way to live.

[00:29:09]
So this illness, the second book
brought me into, you know what?

[00:29:14]
That’s got to stop smart.

[00:29:17]
You know, we’ve told you
there’s greatness in you.

[00:29:20]
There’s greatness in everyone.

[00:29:21]
Now, you have to own that.

[00:29:24]
You’re worthy.
You are.

[00:29:27]
You’re worthy of.

[00:29:29]
Of the freedom to live the life
that you want to live.

[00:29:33]
And

[00:29:35]
another thing is that that can
be a slow change.

[00:29:39]
I’m still in my consulting business,
right? I still have that.

[00:29:42]
And and I have my books, you know, so

[00:29:46]
that you can blend life will
let you blend if you will.

[00:29:50]
Let yourself give yourself
permission to do it right.

[00:29:55]
I suppose it’s prioritizing
the priorities, right?

[00:29:58]
Yeah.
And making sure you’re right up there.

[00:30:00]
Mm hmm.
Yeah.

[00:30:02]
Yeah.
Yeah.

[00:30:02]
For sure.
Yeah.

[00:30:03]
Because that’s a that’s hard.

[00:30:05]
Mm hmm.

[00:30:07]
I see it all the time.

[00:30:08]
I really do.

[00:30:11]
And.

[00:30:15]
I had an encounter that
taught me that, all right.

[00:30:22]
I just realized I didn’t realize ever

[00:30:25]
that I was being hard on myself, that I
was too judgmental of everything I did.

[00:30:32]
I did not realize that.

[00:30:34]
Oh, until.

[00:30:40]
Until I came to a crisis point
in my marriage, now this marriage, No.

[00:30:46]
One or two, two, two, I had to leave No.

[00:30:48]
One, because my belief
system just took me out.

[00:30:53]
There’s no way to stay in that.

[00:30:55]
OK, my second marriage was
and is a fabulous marriage.

[00:31:00]
OK, but if you go into a second marriage
with this unworthiness,

[00:31:06]
you can marry the most wonderful person
and you won’t be able to take it right.

[00:31:13]
You won’t you will talk yourself out
of it because you don’t deserve it.

[00:31:18]
So believe you don’t deserve you.
Thank you very much.

[00:31:21]
So I wrote my memoir,
which we’re not really talking about

[00:31:24]
today, but I life told me
I mean, not in words, but.

[00:31:32]
That you know what,

[00:31:34]
yeah, your husband could treat you better,

[00:31:38]
but you

[00:31:40]
could treat you better.

[00:31:42]
So from now on, Vivian,
when you look at your husband and you say

[00:31:47]
you’re not treating me right, I’m leaving
my my book is called I was a yo yo wife

[00:31:54]
because I kept leaving because it
was always my husband’s fault.

[00:31:57]
But when when I got that message
that it’s how I treat myself.

[00:32:05]
That needed the attention,

[00:32:07]
and so it was just another step on this
journey, this worthiness,

[00:32:12]
my marriage transformed and worthiness
to me is the most important thing

[00:32:18]
that each of us must decide whether
we’re going to accept that gift or not.

[00:32:23]
And our society just.

[00:32:27]
Doesn’t teach that no,
it doesn’t show us how to argue that they

[00:32:32]
cater to the weak because
the weak will buy stuff.

[00:32:35]
Yes,go shopping.

[00:32:37]
So, I mean, in the the
is that retail therapy?

[00:32:41]
Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:42]
I would imagine that there’s some
psychological choices in advertising,

[00:32:47]
marketing, stuff like that,
where you want you a retailer or

[00:32:53]
someone selling whatever
stuff wants people to buy.

[00:32:57]
Yeah.

[00:32:57]
To boost themselves up
for whatever reason.

[00:32:59]
Not that anyone that buys stuff know

[00:33:01]
they’re doing it to fix depression
or something like that.

[00:33:04]
Well when you were talking there

[00:33:05]
initially, reasons financial data
strait’s because you kept buying stuff.

[00:33:10]
Yeah.

[00:33:10]
Probably a few companies
that are like, don’t fix that.

[00:33:13]
Yeah.
Yes.

[00:33:16]
Here’s the difference

[00:33:18]
for me now.

[00:33:20]
If I go shopping,

[00:33:23]
I do it from a spirit of abundant,
abundant joy and incredible fun.

[00:33:29]
Mm hmm.
I am worthy.

[00:33:31]
Mm hmm.
I like this.

[00:33:34]
It would be fun to have it.

[00:33:37]
I always check through to make sure.

[00:33:39]
Is it affordable.

[00:33:40]
My, my, my, my definition.

[00:33:42]
But giving yourself permission to purchase
or use money from that spirit

[00:33:50]
is completely different
and different mindset.

[00:33:53]
I got to have this because I’ll
look better or whatever, you know.

[00:33:57]
So or my house will look better and people
will think

[00:34:01]
better of me because I’m fitting this this
image that I want people to have of me.

[00:34:08]
It would be a purchase by you for them.

[00:34:12]
And in turn, that would make you
happy versus just a purchase for you.

[00:34:16]
Yeah.
Yeah.

[00:34:17]
Bypass that middleman.
Yeah.

[00:34:19]
Yeah.
I met a woman.

[00:34:21]
Yes.
Yes.

[00:34:22]
So Book two was extremely important
because I couldn’t get to greatness.

[00:34:33]
Until I got through unworthiness

[00:34:36]
and now there are there are three
more volumes after these two.

[00:34:39]
So are these problems to come or these
problems that are already happening?

[00:34:44]
All of them are written OK.

[00:34:46]
And I did have that 20 years.

[00:34:48]
So, you know, I’m all right.

[00:34:50]
Yeah, I took my time.

[00:34:52]
I mean, five problems in 20
years is one every four.

[00:34:55]
You know, it’s the ones
that I got the stories on.

[00:34:59]
You know, I have this employee.

[00:35:01]
He was younger kid.

[00:35:02]
Twenty three.

[00:35:04]
Twenty two or something like that.
Yeah.

[00:35:06]
He was preparing to get married.
Engaged.

[00:35:10]
I think you’re getting married
in a year or something like that.

[00:35:13]
He was the one that was
planning the wedding.

[00:35:16]
He had some health issues which he wanted

[00:35:18]
to elaborate on and I didn’t
want to listen to because

[00:35:24]
one, I don’t think I can
from legal standpoint.

[00:35:26]
And two, it’s really none of my business.

[00:35:28]
So anyways,

[00:35:31]
we had this conversation because he was

[00:35:33]
not doing so hot at work
and he started using these excuses.

[00:35:37]
I’m preparing for my wedding.

[00:35:38]
I got this little heart thing that has

[00:35:40]
literally nothing to do with me
doing the job, but it just excuses.

[00:35:45]
And I asked him, so in a year
you’ll be married.

[00:35:49]
In six months you had
some surgery going on.

[00:35:52]
So after you got the surgery to take care
of your health stuff and you’re married,

[00:35:56]
do you believe that you
will have no more problems?

[00:35:57]
Yeah.
All right.

[00:35:59]
You know, and I was asking it.

[00:36:02]
That’s something he’s like,
yeah, I’ll be done with problems.

[00:36:07]
And I’m like, you know,

[00:36:11]
I’m like, no, you will
always have a problem.

[00:36:13]
And if you don’t have a problem,
you’ll make up a problem.

[00:36:16]
Yeah.

[00:36:17]
You’ll be the one calling and complaining
that the receipt is too long at the store

[00:36:20]
or something like that because you don’t
have anything else to complain about.

[00:36:24]
And as we get older,

[00:36:27]
those complaints get more vocal.

[00:36:30]
If we haven’t if we haven’t

[00:36:33]
given ourselves permission to really
live life the way we want to live,

[00:36:41]
I I’ve watched this happen in older people

[00:36:47]
and I don’t want to stereotype.

[00:36:49]
But if you are not happy
with the life you’ve lived, well, I.

[00:36:55]
I just see anger and bitterness and.

[00:37:01]
Yeah, so I I’m working on me

[00:37:05]
and we get those challenges because we’re

[00:37:08]
supposed to work through our stuff,
so we want a better life.

[00:37:12]
Yeah, so those are gifts.
Absolutely.

[00:37:15]
They really are.

[00:37:17]
And that’s hard to grasp when you’re
going through your challenges.

[00:37:22]
But if you get that on the other side or
right where you’re going through it,

[00:37:27]
you’re going to get a gem,
you’re going to get something that’s just

[00:37:31]
going to make all the difference
in the world to you.

[00:37:35]
That’s that’s what those are really about.

[00:37:39]
I have a quote

[00:37:41]
in my workout room

[00:37:43]
from Arnold Schwarzenegger,
and I forget it word for word.

[00:37:46]
But essentially the the premise
is this pain is your privilege.

[00:37:52]
So no one else gets to feel that pain.

[00:37:54]
This is all you.

[00:37:56]
But it’s a growth.
It is.

[00:37:58]
Work with it.
Let it talk to you.

[00:38:01]
It’s got a message.

[00:38:03]
And once you get the message well
and apply the message right.

[00:38:07]
The other side, it is relief
and more authenticity.

[00:38:13]
Absolutely.
Yeah.

[00:38:14]
Yeah.
It’s interesting.

[00:38:16]
It would be a.

[00:38:18]
It’s interesting when you think, what if
the world doesn’t even see a neighborhood

[00:38:24]
thought in this way or Haiti,
dare I say, evolved

[00:38:29]
to experience that or to believe that,
what could they do as a group?

[00:38:35]
And I’m a linguist,

[00:38:35]
so I take the word evolve and I realize
that you can spell love with evolved.

[00:38:41]
Oh, OK.
I think that love

[00:38:45]
and evolving go hand in hand.

[00:38:48]
Interesting.
All right.

[00:38:50]
Yeah, I well, I love
what we can learn with our words.

[00:38:56]
But back to your point.

[00:38:57]
Yeah.

[00:39:01]
Yeah, we can change.

[00:39:04]
The world, we can change our experience

[00:39:09]
of the world
as we go in and learn how to enjoy our

[00:39:16]
lives, there is nothing like
being with happy people, right?

[00:39:21]
There aren’t enough of them
in the world but got to like it.

[00:39:25]
And you get the sense that there are

[00:39:28]
to use that word again,
they’re real, they’re authentic.

[00:39:31]
They’re living their life.

[00:39:32]
And it doesn’t matter

[00:39:35]
that you might see things differently and
they’re not rude about it,

[00:39:40]
but they’re just so full of enthusiasm
that, you know, oh, it’s a magical.

[00:39:48]
Yeah.
Way to live.

[00:39:49]
It’s probably to some point learned
because they’ve learned that like it’s

[00:39:56]
certainly something that I’ve
learned when I walk into a party.

[00:39:59]
I don’t know anyone.

[00:40:00]
I’d rather not just sit
in the corner and watch people.

[00:40:03]
I’d rather go and meet people.

[00:40:06]
And some people you meet, you

[00:40:08]
don’t need to chat with you that long and
other people you meet, you’re like, whoa.

[00:40:12]
Yeah.
Life changing.

[00:40:13]
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.

[00:40:16]
I just think life is magical.

[00:40:18]
I’ve the older I get the more magic I see.

[00:40:22]
Oh, nine.

[00:40:24]
We just recently moved, OK?

[00:40:26]
We had a big house
and land that had to be mowed.

[00:40:31]
Oh, a big barn.

[00:40:33]
And my husband is done with that,
you know, and we just decided to move.

[00:40:40]
So we went from three acres in a barn

[00:40:43]
and a long driveway and all the snow toys
that eventually aren’t fun toys anymore.

[00:40:49]
Work once we went to three quarters

[00:40:52]
of an acre in a neighborhood
with a short driveway.

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But the house is still big enough
for us and it was absolutely magical.

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You know, we put our house on the market.

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The second or third family
that looked at it made us an offer.

[00:41:09]
We turn around because we got to find

[00:41:11]
a place to live and we find
the perfect place for us to move over.

[00:41:16]
And it all happened within six weeks.

[00:41:18]
We were loaded, packed and moved.
Wow.

[00:41:22]
Yeah.
So that’s impressive alone.

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Isn’t that a fun way to live? Yes.

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And all I’m saying is
you’ve got to believe your way there.

[00:41:32]
You’ve got to and you’ve
got to love your way there.

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In in my memoir, I,
I say there’s one door.

[00:41:43]
There’s one door
you must we must go through, OK?

[00:41:47]
Live the life we want to live.

[00:41:50]
OK, and that’s a door.
A door.

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We must adore ourselves.
Got it.

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You must fall in love with the real
person that you really are.

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You must adore.

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And that is not prideful.

[00:42:05]
That is being who you are with, with no
excuses and letting your light shine.

[00:42:14]
Right.
Yeah.

[00:42:15]
Interesting light shine.

[00:42:17]
You raise an interesting point about
the humbleness that maybe people are

[00:42:20]
afraid of or afraid to seem
to eccentric or too

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narcissistic sports or selfish.
Selfish.

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Yeah.
Mm hmm.

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You know,

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it’s such a misconception
because the more you

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are expressing your true self,

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the more generous, the more expansive,
the more life opens up to you.

[00:42:47]
So it’s just the opposite
of what we’re afraid of.

[00:42:51]
Yeah, I take time for myself.

[00:42:53]
Mm hmm.

[00:42:56]
Something bad is going to happen.

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That’s I mean, I lived
that life for a very long time.

[00:43:01]
OK, that was I believe
that was and I was raised OK.

[00:43:06]
Very much that way.

[00:43:07]
Oh, you don’t.

[00:43:08]
Your life is already determined for you.

[00:43:13]
Don’t even think about what you
want because that’s wrong, because this

[00:43:20]
is the way so it was kind of a
cultish kind of interest.

[00:43:25]
OK, yeah, but the point and the point is
in in reality is just the opposite.

[00:43:32]
Whatever.

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Whatever you believe that.

[00:43:39]
Contradicts

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what’s in your heart,

[00:43:44]
you, if you will, have the courage
to take a step, you’ll find out that it’s

[00:43:52]
wrong in the world is just
an awesome place to live.

[00:43:57]
It is.
It’s I just love it.

[00:44:00]
So.
So.

[00:44:02]
Three more books to come
out yet this year.

[00:44:04]
That’s cool.
Yeah, that’s impressive.

[00:44:06]
Well, as I said, they’re all written.

[00:44:08]
And listen, I have a team.

[00:44:10]
Oh, I have a team that
everybody knows their job.

[00:44:14]
And so since the stories are essentially
written in regular English,

[00:44:20]
I can do the conversion to my gender
inclusive form of English

[00:44:26]
while everybody else is editing and
putting the rest of the story together.

[00:44:31]
Gotcha.

[00:44:32]
I want to touch really
quick on the English.

[00:44:35]
Yeah.

[00:44:36]
Did I say that we English
or wingless English?

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What’s important is that we making English
an inclusive language for all genders.

[00:44:45]
We English.
OK, yeah.

[00:44:47]
How do you get an editor to edit
we English.

[00:44:52]
You hire them yourself.

[00:44:54]
OK, and you must have to train them.

[00:44:57]
Oh because I’m a trained eventually

[00:45:00]
there’s again I for that I suppose the
reading it the brain for that actually.

[00:45:06]
I’ve done most of the conversion

[00:45:08]
into English, now
I have the woman whose name is also

[00:45:12]
on the cover and Wandera, yeah,
she also she’s worked with me for ten

[00:45:18]
years so she can take a book
in English and convert it to English.

[00:45:22]
Oh, wow.
And it’s not hard to do.

[00:45:23]
There’s just a few word changes.

[00:45:25]
But what it does is it gives.

[00:45:28]
People better words to choose and use

[00:45:32]
because English has thirty nine
thousand words that include man

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and no words

[00:45:42]
that give women.
Words of their own.

[00:45:46]
OK, so all I’ve done is create a few words
that are spelled linguistically the way

[00:45:55]
they’re pronounced, and I just
I’m experimenting with how

[00:46:01]
women feel would be spelled
w I am I n e OK, we English,

[00:46:08]
just a few words of their own
and I see a spark,

[00:46:14]
I see a spark kind of developing where
we’ve never thought of that.

[00:46:20]
We’ve never thought that the words we use
are so male dominant.

[00:46:26]
And yet there is science behind this that,

[00:46:30]
that I’ve done research

[00:46:34]
that says that there is a subliminal

[00:46:36]
undercurrent to have a language
that’s so full of man words.

[00:46:43]
There’s a subliminal indifference
toward women.

[00:46:49]
That language creates and if we just

[00:46:54]
change our language a little bit,
it frees women up.

[00:47:00]
And so I’m experimenting with that

[00:47:03]
by printing my books both in regular
English and this gender inclusive.

[00:47:09]
And I want to test it

[00:47:11]
because there’s there’s some science
that makes it sound like I mean, why not?

[00:47:16]
Sure, you know.
Yeah, why not?

[00:47:18]
I like it.
Yeah.

[00:47:20]
So you also have your consulting business.
Yes.

[00:47:22]
Full time gig.

[00:47:26]
Oh, let me tell you,
it has always been my primary.

[00:47:30]
OK, breadwinning and and I love it.

[00:47:35]
I have a partner now,
and this is just another one of those

[00:47:39]
magical things that just
hasher business partner.

[00:47:42]
Yeah.
OK.

[00:47:43]
Yeah.
Because thank you.

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That need to be clarified, doesn’t it.

[00:47:46]
Well I have a condo

[00:47:52]
and I’ve been looking for a partner

[00:47:54]
for years and years and I’ve
tried several different ones.

[00:47:59]
They failed.
Oh it’s tough.

[00:48:01]
Oh it is an expensive.
Can we just say.

[00:48:04]
Well any business mistake.
Yeah.

[00:48:06]
Yeah, yeah.
So

[00:48:09]
just a year and a half ago.

[00:48:13]
Something prompted me to put
an ad on Zipp recruiter.

[00:48:17]
Wow.
Oh, I know what it was.

[00:48:19]
My two key people had
found different jobs.

[00:48:22]
Oh, for excellent reasons.
Excellent reasons.

[00:48:26]
One could make a lot more money
and the other one

[00:48:30]
had an issue and had
to move to be with family.

[00:48:33]
So but I’m left with without two
people that I trusted with so much.

[00:48:42]
And so I just said, OK, life, OK,

[00:48:46]
man, whatever you want, I’m in.

[00:48:49]
So I put an ad on zip recruiter
for a business partner.

[00:48:53]
Yeah, well, I just for for my business,

[00:48:55]
I didn’t I didn’t put
the partnership aspect in.

[00:48:58]
I just told them what their
skill set needed to be.

[00:49:01]
So you essentially portrayed it as needing

[00:49:03]
an employee? Yep. Was the goal
then to find a business partner?

[00:49:07]
Oh, absolutely.
That is bold.

[00:49:09]
And believe it or not.

[00:49:13]
A woman replied

[00:49:16]
that I knew, oh,

[00:49:19]
I hadn’t talked to her in years,

[00:49:21]
but she replied and she had
the most complimentary skill set

[00:49:26]
to my skill set that I told her
right during the interview.

[00:49:30]
I said, this is about partnership.

[00:49:34]
And if you’re not interested,
I’m not interested.

[00:49:37]
And in the partnership.
Yeah.

[00:49:39]
Wow.

[00:49:40]
She came to the interview
looking for a job.

[00:49:42]
And you’re like my old lady.
Yeah.

[00:49:45]
And it’s it’s a year and a half now.
Wow.

[00:49:49]
And

[00:49:50]
it was meant to be it’s just
another one of those things.

[00:49:53]
And so far so good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:49:55]
You’re in a have it’s a long
ways into a partnership.

[00:49:57]
So it is a lot of them don’t
make it to that point.

[00:50:01]
Yeah.
Interesting.

[00:50:02]
Yeah.
How does she react when you said that.

[00:50:05]
She said, I’m in.

[00:50:07]
Oh, yeah, she

[00:50:09]
she knew me, OK?

[00:50:12]
And.

[00:50:15]
I think she liked me.

[00:50:16]
OK, well, and she like she likes
she liked what I stood for because

[00:50:21]
whenever I teach,
I might be teaching tax regulations,

[00:50:25]
but I’m really saying, oh,
you are so important to life.

[00:50:29]
You make such a difference to life.

[00:50:32]
And now let’s talk about
how to qualify a household.

[00:50:35]
But don’t forget that every
day you’re making such.

[00:50:38]
So that’s

[00:50:40]
the message I took out into this
tax advantaged culture.

[00:50:45]
Interesting.
And and she liked that a lot.

[00:50:48]
So we were in tune on that level.

[00:50:53]
And that’s the level I think you got
to be in tune philosophically, right.

[00:51:00]
In order for a partnership to work,

[00:51:02]
you might know things, but if you don’t
think it’s right, it doesn’t work.

[00:51:09]
Well, it’s just horrible.
Mm hmm.

[00:51:12]
Interesting.
Yeah.

[00:51:13]
So once you found her, did you then
look for additional employees or.

[00:51:19]
Yeah.
Found them.

[00:51:19]
Yep.
Yep.

[00:51:21]
Nice train rolling.
Yeah.

[00:51:24]
And so

[00:51:26]
I have

[00:51:28]
specific tasks I do for the name
of the company is Theo Pro.

[00:51:35]
Ok. T-H-E-O-P-R-O

[00:51:37]
and my train of thought
just went off track.

[00:51:44]
Employees and.
Yeah.

[00:51:46]
And.

[00:51:51]
But its focus

[00:51:55]
is training.

[00:51:56]
OK, training people who work in this
industry, how to do their jobs.

[00:52:02]
All right.

[00:52:02]
And so it’s very technical
and you got to have fun.

[00:52:09]
And that’s my strong suit
is having fun teaching.

[00:52:14]
And so I have one more big
project to do for Theo Pro.

[00:52:20]
OK.
And then I can teach when I want to.

[00:52:25]
I can write when I want to.

[00:52:27]
I’m old enough.

[00:52:29]
I’m old enough to be more than retired.
All right.

[00:52:32]
I’m I’m past the age when
that’s OK to do that.

[00:52:36]
OK.
And so my husband’s retired.

[00:52:40]
I don’t know, James, you’re having fun.

[00:52:43]
Oh, yeah.

[00:52:45]
Oh, yeah, so I don’t know what’s next,

[00:52:48]
except I finish these books,
I make sure the approach is going strong

[00:52:54]
and steady and life will give me
my next assignment when it’s time.

[00:53:00]
All right.

[00:53:01]
Which I will joyfully accept because
that’s what I’ve learned to do.

[00:53:05]
Just say yes.

[00:53:08]
To what’s in your heart, OK?

[00:53:10]
Don’t say yes to everybody and everything,

[00:53:13]
right, just you got to say
yes to what’s in here.

[00:53:16]
I want to clarify something
a little bit with you.

[00:53:19]
So when you say.

[00:53:21]
You’re giving life essentially permission

[00:53:25]
to move you.

[00:53:27]
Or maybe I should ask this,

[00:53:28]
are you giving permission life to move you
or to guide you or to offer suggestions?

[00:53:35]
All of the above.

[00:53:37]
And it’s really your intuition.

[00:53:39]
It’s really your gut instinct.

[00:53:41]
If you

[00:53:42]
the biggest thing I’ve learned
to do in my life is listen.

[00:53:46]
Oh, all right.

[00:53:47]
Listen to what’s going on in here.

[00:53:50]
We don’t listen enough.

[00:53:51]
And I’ve learned

[00:53:53]
that that’s the most important thing to do
because everything about yourself and what

[00:54:00]
you
what your life is about and what you’re

[00:54:03]
going to find your deepest satisfaction
and sense of purpose is in listening

[00:54:08]
to what comes in to your imagination,
your psyche, you’re into whatever it is

[00:54:18]
and do it.
Just try it.

[00:54:21]
Yeah, that’s that’s it.

[00:54:23]
It’s just listening there.

[00:54:25]
That’s good advice.

[00:54:27]
Vivian, I know we’re pretty
much out of time here.

[00:54:29]
Where can people find your books,
I guess now and in the future.

[00:54:33]
Yeah, just type into any search engine.

[00:54:36]
Just type in The Woman
Who Forgot Who She Was.

[00:54:39]
And this is the Wenglish version.

[00:54:43]
OK, so it’s spelled differently.

[00:54:46]
And you can see it on the on the screen,
the two books in regular English.

[00:54:51]
You right next to him, you will find
the books in wee English or Wenglish.

[00:54:56]
If you’re interested in that version.

[00:54:57]
And I want to tell your
listeners that I am very open.

[00:55:01]
My

[00:55:02]
my email is vivian@vivianprobst.com

[00:55:06]
Easy enough.

[00:55:07]
And I want feedback, especially
on my Wenglish or wee English version.

[00:55:12]
Does it make a difference
to spell a few words differently?

[00:55:16]
It’s my it’s my thesis in life now.

[00:55:19]
Fair. Is to take that forward.
Yeah.

[00:55:22]
Awesome.
And you is it vivianprobst.com

[00:55:26]
for your website.
Awesome.

[00:55:28]
Well, thank you.
So very tricky, right.

[00:55:29]
Yeah, right.

[00:55:31]
Thank you so much for being on the show.
This is cool.

[00:55:33]
Oh thank you so much.

[00:55:36]
Oh, I feel like it’s impressive.

[00:55:38]
You got a lot going on yourself.

[00:55:40]
You solved some problems.

[00:55:41]
You run a great company,
you’re writing some books,

[00:55:44]
helping the world in the way that you can
and know that you do.

[00:55:49]
Plus your taking on the
English language, so.

[00:55:52]
And we there’s that.

[00:55:53]
Yeah,

[00:55:54]
we can all that’s
all of us have that gift.

[00:55:59]
All of us have it.

[00:56:00]
But we have to find it for ourselves.

[00:56:03]
Fair, shar your gift.
Yeah.

[00:56:05]
Yeah, yeah.
I like it.

[00:56:06]
Cool.
Well thank you so much for listening.

[00:56:09]
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[00:56:22]
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[00:56:24]
There’s not too many people
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[00:56:25]
No, even I try to call my accountant
for the past two days.

[00:56:29]
I can’t get a hold of him.
You’re right here.

[00:56:31]
And then you can you can get a hold
of some people, but you wish you hadn’t.

[00:56:37]
The worst. Well.

[00:56:39]
Thank you for joining us

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We do it all here.
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We’ll see you next week.
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And if you do nothing else,
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