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Tammy Cho – Path to the Heart

 

 

Podcast Overview:

00:00 Awakening to Emotional Disconnection
05:20 Face & Body Analysis for Healing
14:26 Entrepreneurial Growth Through Mindfulness
19:07 Embrace Unplanned Exploration
25:39 Face Analysis for Personal Empowerment
28:25 Facial Changes from Emotional Shift
35:42 “Uncovering Authentic Leadership”
42:31 Alignment: Mind, Heart, Soul, Will
47:49 Face Analysis Insight Session
48:41 Exploring Authentic Self Through Reflection
57:48 Grounding and Alignment Guidance
01:04:36 “Exploring Spiritual Expression”

Podcast Transcription:

Tammy Cho [00:00:00]:
What makes someone when we go into a room actually command the room? Like, what what is that? It’s when they’re actually aligned in their mind and their heart and their soul and their will. Like, when you are in alignment in all these places, that’s when your energy essence, you’re leading the room by that. And it really doesn’t matter what strategy, what words you’re using because you’re in alignment. It’s just like you’re in conviction.

James [00:00:32]:
You have found Authentic Business Adventures, the business program that brings you the struggles, stories, and triumph and successes of business owners across the land. Downloadable audio episodes can be found In the podcast link On at drawincustomers.com. We are locally underwritten by the Bank of Sun Prairie, calls on call extraordinary answering service, as well as the bold business book. And today, we’re welcoming slash preparing to learn from Tammy Cho of Path to the Heart. So, Tammy, how is it going today?

Tammy Cho [00:01:00]:
It’s going very well. Beautiful weather over here, James. I’m Cho delighted to have this conversation with you.

James [00:01:06]:
Yeah. I’m excited because you I know NLP is a part of what you to, but just for the audience here, how about you let us know what is Path to the heart?

Tammy Cho [00:01:14]:
Yeah. I’d love to. Path to the heart to the heart was essentially, yeah, birth from, up above. Essentially, I was going through my own healing journey, and it, you know, really literally downloaded into while I was in the retreat, sitting there that I meant to do this type of work. And, you know, that really instigated a lot of it. And In addition to me being on my healing journey, it’s a big part of what I support, you know, entrepreneurs through. And so, for myself, maybe I’ll start with a bit of my story In that’s okay, James.

James [00:01:47]:
Sure. By all means, please.

Tammy Cho [00:01:49]:
Yeah. So, I essentially, I was a nurse for about twenty Heart, and, I essentially, you know, went to work one Draw, and I had heart palpitations and chest pain. And I was having a hard time, you know, like, really hearing sounds around me. My ears were getting fuzzy, and I had this metallic taste of fear in my mouth. I was like, oh my goodness. I’m having a heart attack. And, that day, I ended up being wheeled off to emergency in front of everyone at work. And yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:02:19]:
And so there was, like, no turning back then. And, at that point, you know, like, I I knew I wasn’t doing well and all the those kind of things. I knew I was losing, Billy to concentrate and all these things. And when, I I I couldn’t really get myself to let go at that point. I kinda knew intellectually what I needed to do. I In got a doctor’s note to actually take time off, but also overcommitted and to everyone, you know, the doctors and the nurses, the patients, and all those things that I couldn’t emotionally let go. And so that was a big part of my path, and that burnout essentially, slowed me down. But it didn’t, really land within myself until I had my first daughter.

Tammy Cho [00:03:06]:
She was six months old, lying down on one of those baby Einstein mats. And James, for the first time, she hit one of those dangling toys for the first time intentionally, right, as a six month old. And I just looked at it, and I I couldn’t connect to any joy. And it really honestly, if it wasn’t for this, community nurse that was actually visiting me as at the exact moment witnessing this. And pointing that out, like, I I wouldn’t even notice how disconnected I was to my own child. You know? And and so in that moment, I realized I was turning into, you know, my mom who had physically abandoned me at 20 old. But then I I was replaying it at emotional level, and that really woke me up to really start my whole healing journey, and the birthing of Path to the Heart. And, yeah, like, that was the instigator because literally, there was no one in my family that was in business.

Tammy Cho [00:03:56]:
So I was really breaking through a lot of things. But, essentially, at that point, you know, obviously, I went to do all the therapy. I did I started investing in a lot of personal development. Literally had a workshop every other week or something like that. And, I tried to master the mind. I actually learned NLP way back when trying to figure everything out. And, of course, the answer is not in the head. And I ended up going into, you know, discovering energy work.

Tammy Cho [00:04:22]:
And I did a a variety of modalities, from Reiki, became a shaman at that point, vile energy, healing, all these different things. And when I was going through all that, like, I felt better because, you know, underneath everything was, like, I was struggling with anxiety and depression and things like this. And, I had felt better, and yet when I noticed I wouldn’t exchange healings, you know, with other healers, which I was doing, like, two to three times a week as a way of practice and everything. I noticed everything was still there, James. And, when that happened, like, I realized that I need to look a little further into the truth here. You know? And, and so being the truth seeker that I am, I kept on going, and I ended up tracking into my life four years of emotional and spiritual healing. And I came across something called psychosomatic therapy. Long story short, this is a study of the body, mind, heart, soul together.

Tammy Cho [00:05:20]:
Prior to this point, I was essentially doing things in a box trying to, you know, heal myself, so to speak. And, yeah, psychosomatic therapy essentially was a study of all these parts as it’s expressed through our physical face. So So I’m not sure if you read my bio, but I’m a face and body analysis expert as well. Help people with, worthiness, with, leading their energy, energy leadership, I like to call it. And this is where I help people see through the physical features of their face, how to identify, you know, invisible blocks that are in their way, where places that they’re not looking, that is really keeping them out of alignment for success, places that, they may see themselves in a very, disillusioned way, because the left side of our face is the private world In the right side is our public face. So it’s it’s very interesting what transpires when we look at the truth In our our body doesn’t lie, James. So, that was a long convoluted way of sort of, you know, this is how I came to be doing what I love. I believe this is, a big part of my purpose, and there’s always, you know, challenges and loopholes that I’ve learned now to use my own face and body to navigate that.

Tammy Cho [00:06:32]:
And so so yeah. Thank you for the space, and I’m curious what’s coming up for you, Gina.

James [00:06:38]:
Yeah. Well, you touched on a lot of things that I wanna address. Initially, the first one where you’re getting wheeled off to the emergency room when you’re a nurse, what did they attribute that to? Was that stress? Was that I don’t just help me out with what is that because it sounds like you’re pretty young when that happened.

Tammy Cho [00:06:56]:
Yeah. Well, I I was essentially, going through a panic attack, and panic attacks could feel very much like a heart attack. It felt like a heart attack when I was going through In, let’s just say. But, essentially, it was a panic attack. It was, you call it a stress attack, but, essentially, it was Path attack. And, yeah, for those that don’t know, right, sometimes I think that, you know, it’s very obvious when you’re definitely going through a panic attack because it’s, yeah, definitely something’s wrong.

James [00:07:23]:
Alright. So Yeah. Can you attribute that to things that were going on in your life at the time?

Tammy Cho [00:07:29]:
You know what? Like, I was this high achiever. I was that that person people came to for help. I put a really strong mask on. I was highly competent. You know, I was the patient care leader at that time. You know, I worked at bedside all the way up to overseeing a hospital. And, yeah, I I I In knew that I wasn’t necessarily doing well, but I was, you know, I was putting on a strong front and very much wearing that mask that so many of us do. And often the same mask is what is keeping us from what we want In what I’m discovering as I’m helping people take off the mask they wear.

Tammy Cho [00:08:08]:
Very interestingly enough through face analysis. Right? And so, yeah, this is a this is a place, like, that I knew it was happening. I just couldn’t get myself to let go because who was I if I didn’t do all those things I’ve been doing forever the brought me significance? You know? Brought me, you know, income, blah blah blah, whatever you wanna call it. All those things that, you know, make us feel important. You know?

James [00:08:33]:
You know, there’s a time in my life I don’t even wanna say it was past. It’s probably present as well to a point, though not as much, as I’ve gone through my entrepreneurial journey where you feel like you’re pushing so hard, but but then you feel like you’re pushing hard against the wall and the door is three feet to your left. You could just walk through the door. Why are you pushing so Heart the wall when you could just go through the door? So I understand what you’re saying where you’re, like, pushing and driving. I’m doing all these things. And to what end? You’re pushing against a brick wall. It’s not gonna move, but you feel like all I have to do is push Heart. And you get stuck in that that I guess it’s a it’s a prison is what it is, I guess.

Tammy Cho [00:09:15]:
It is. It is. Exactly. And and, you know, I think you word it really well with the sense of a prison. It’s a self imposed prison that when unfortunately, when we get super stressed, it’s like we have tunnel vision, and we only see what’s in front of us. Tammy. Task. Task.

Tammy Cho [00:09:28]:
You know? And, you know, this is you know, everyone says to slow down, smell the roses, and that we need to take time off to rest. And sometimes when we get into entrepreneurship, right, you know, we’re on the grind because there’s, like you know, feels like there’s all this competition out there. You know? You gotta make ends meet, and all these things, like, try to be your best self and use your gifts. You know, all these things, right, that we go into entrepreneur for to share our ideas and such. And it it’s it’s easy to lose ourselves. And what I find is with a lot of the high achievers I work with, they are not you know, they don’t necessarily know who they are. I know that sounds interesting, but, yeah, they don’t know necessarily what they actually want because they haven’t ever been asked that. You know? It’s like you’re going by what you think you want.

Tammy Cho [00:10:15]:
And I go through my layers of this. Like, these are one of my challenges. Right? And it’s like but it’s there’s something powerful about the pause. You know? And when you are able to pause and go deeper than just pausing, right, is that you’re able to uncover truths, you know, that are highlighted whether that’s through our face and body, but, you know, through our heart intuition when we allow that to unfold. And I think that’s, you know, consistent piece that needs to be nurtured regularly as entrepreneur because you’re not you know, there’s no one else. You don’t have a boss. You’re the you’re the Right. Yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:10:49]:
Right. Yeah. You gotta create that Cho time to see the bigger picture and to really step back. And one of the things I I ask people to do is, like, you know, really Call back from the situation if you’re feeling, you know, you’re feeling stuck or something. Right? To actually, you know, back away, roll out, and and literally move your body to you’re out of the situation looking in at it to really get a observer lens on it. Right? And oftentimes, that allows you to, realize that, okay. I just gotta take a break now sometimes. And sometimes it’s like, oh, yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:11:21]:
I don’t need to do that. The door is right here as you said. Right?

James [00:11:25]:
Yeah. It’s interesting when you put yourself in that place where it’s almost like you’re watching a movie, and what do you hope the character does when you’re the character. Cho it’s interesting to step out and just look above or just outside of what’s going on. Cho, like, if you were to if you were going to give that person advice, that character advice, or what are you hoping happens?

Tammy Cho [00:11:47]:
Yeah.

James [00:11:48]:
But you get to live it. Cho, hopefully, take your own advice to a point.

Tammy Cho [00:11:52]:
Yeah. And, you know, we’re our best coach. You know? And I think, that’s one of the hats you you take on going into entrepreneurship, learning to be your own coach. I mean, obviously, there’s Yeah. There’s value. There’s value in, obviously, hiring a coach that you just kinda see what you can’t see. And yeah. And then there’s a place where, literally, you’re learning how to coach yourself through the day some days.

Tammy Cho [00:12:13]:
You know? I’m sure sure you can relate to that. Right?

James [00:12:17]:
Absolutely.

Tammy Cho [00:12:18]:
Yeah. And I think that people, like, thinking about going On to entrepreneur entrepreneurship or On it, right, sometimes we maybe forget the the personal development or the inner growth work. And with myself working with energy leadership, I I learned that, you know, everything that happens outside of us is a direct reflection of what’s happening inside, whether you’re conscious or unconscious of it. And it’s, like, just a it’s it’s a way to live that’s I feel very empowering to be able to see that. You know?

James [00:12:48]:
So in the case of you ending up in the emergency side of the hospital. Yeah. Do you feel like if that would not have happened, where do you think your life would have gone?

Tammy Cho [00:12:58]:
Oh my goodness. Like, I I I think I would still be depressed, anxious, and unhappy, feeling really empty. Like, essentially, you know, when we don’t address things, we’re recreating the same thing with different faces. So, yeah, essentially, I would I would feel I would still be, you know, pushing out, you know, for example, my husband. Like, I he loves me, yet I was, like, creating all these arguments between us. Like so, one of the things I learned with, the whole, side of, you know, face and body analysis, but the sense of energetics In that when we push away knowing ourselves deeper, we’re also pushing away all those things we want outside of ourselves. It’s actually a direct reflection. So a lot of, another way to place this language is our ability to receive, because there’s a place within ourselves.

Tammy Cho [00:13:50]:
When I work with a lot of my clients who are high achievers, they haven’t ever learned to receive deeply. It’s often the know to they need to slow down, take care of themselves, go to gym, eat properly, blah blah blah. That’s very different from receiving because you could be eating and not be fully present. You could be Cho,

James [00:14:07]:
a thousand times over. But or at least three times a day. Yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:14:11]:
Yeah. Yeah. And and it’s like, you’ll be going through the day doing things so that you can get back on the grind. Is very different from the energy of actually sitting there and letting yourself actually feel in your body. And that’s that’s what it is. We get to our mind. We overthink. We judge ourselves.

Tammy Cho [00:14:26]:
All these things that keep us stuck as entrepreneurs. And one of the reasons is because we’re actually not in our bodies. Because in order to receive and feel and all those kind of things, we kinda need to be in our body. And so that’s a really, important piece that I see, a repetitive pattern, if you will, again and again, with entrepreneurship. And you will find that if you actually give yourself the place to slow down and to do inner work on a regular basis, and I and, you know, actually process through things, that you’ll see, you know, the problems are no longer there anymore. Like, it’ll start to dissipate because you when you’re when you’re holding on to a certain amount of, I don’t know, let’s say stuck emotions, Then it takes away the space for you to actually comprehend, receive whatever that In. And, you can never see out of the situation, more than that energy level, so to speak. So once we, you know, unplug or remove some of this, uncover some of the unconscious blocks, if you will, then oftentimes, it opens up someone’s energy to receive.

Tammy Cho [00:15:39]:
And I can literally, you know, show this when I measure my client’s energy field Cho they see how their thoughts affect their energy field, which is, you know, the aura around their body. And, also, I help them compare that to, for example, you know, they wanna make this much, you know, in their business this Heart, and I get them to actually get into the embodiment, and I test their energy relative to how they respond to something positive. And we actually see if they’re actually open to receive

James [00:16:09]:
Oh, interesting.

Tammy Cho [00:16:10]:
What they say they want. You know? So, yeah, I try to make it as tangible as possible because I understand energy is, you know, not something we see.

James [00:16:19]:
No. Not directly.

Tammy Cho [00:16:21]:
Yeah. Not directly anyway. But we all feel it. If we, you know, look under the microscope, with our thoughts or synopsis, it’s electrical impulses. You know? Our emotions are essentially energy in or out of emotion. Right? And very much, you know, with body, mind, heart, soul, all of the information from intuition is often, you know, images and things like that as well. So, yeah, we are vibrating balls of energy at the end of the day. So we I think we gotta learn how to navigate that within ourselves and to lead that.

James [00:16:55]:
True story. You know In interesting? We were just in Vancouver by

Tammy Cho [00:16:58]:
you. Okay.

James [00:16:59]:
And we were staying in Chinatown, and my niece suggested this faux bowl thing. I never had this before, but it’s essentially a bowl on a gas stove, and then you cook your own food.

Tammy Cho [00:17:14]:
Oh, is that like Heart pot or pho?

James [00:17:17]:
Pho.

Tammy Cho [00:17:18]:
Okay. So Pho. Yeah.

James [00:17:20]:
I’ve never had that before, and it turns out Oh. She’s like, this is awesome, but it turns out she’d never had it before either. She just saw it online, which is funny. Because we’re like, how are we supposed to do this? And she’s like, I don’t know. So anyways, the interesting part there to relate to what you’re talking about is that you didn’t just get a meal, chow down, move on with your life. Because the meal you had to cook, and you had to figure out what you’re gonna order. They bring it to you piece by piece. And it was very well, I guess In was almost ceremonial.

James [00:17:51]:
So where that was In of it just being a twenty minute meal, we’re there, I don’t know, two hours, something like that. And it was interesting because you’re cooking the stuff and you’re trying to figure out, you know, does this go with that sauce or whatever. And it’s it’s an event instead of just feed

Tammy Cho [00:18:08]:
Yes.

James [00:18:09]:
The body so that you have the feel to just move on with your life. And it was it was not planned. So we’re just there with this group of I don’t know. We have six, seven people. And we’re we’re there, and it’s like, okay. We’re doing this. This is our thing. We’re taking the time to figure this out.

James [00:18:28]:
And it was actually neat because I realized for a split second, for a moment, like, oh, this is gonna take some Tammy. And we weren’t in any rush. I mean, it was rainy and gloomy outside, so it’s not like you’re gonna do anything out there anyways. And it was a new experience. That was cool. But it was just the taking the time, and that was In great means of taking time to eat In this case to just actually enjoy the stuff bite by bite, try and do things. And, yeah, it was cool. Forced, forced tranquility, I suppose, for lack of better grades.

Tammy Cho [00:19:07]:
Yeah. Thank you for sharing that, James, because I think it’s a great analogy, right, of, like, you know, first of all, you know, it’s going unplanned because a lot of times we’re thrown in business ish, you know, you know, create the business plan a bit. Right? But but, you know, oftentimes, if we let ourselves just explore and, you know, live the adventure, you know, and then also, like, figuring out the ingredients of, like, you know, how do I like this? Like, you know, what makes me Tammy? And, like, what do how how would I do this strategy or that strategy? You know? Really like a big bowl of soup, and, like, you gotta give yourself that mindset of, like, giving yourself the space and the time to really explore that. Otherwise, you rushed and go. You missed all the good pieces, so to speak. So, anyway, I just thought that was really beautiful. That kinda came to mind for me as you’re speaking about that.

James [00:19:51]:
Yeah. Tell me about measuring energy.

Tammy Cho [00:19:55]:
Yeah. Sure. Okay. So, well, I I I spoke a little bit about In, but, essentially, if, let’s say, you know, you were, you know, my client and I would, you know, do a little bit of baseline where you’re at kinda thing. Because a lot of people come to me when they’ve done all the mindset and strategy pieces, and they still feel like they’re hitting this wall. Okay.

James [00:20:15]:
And And these are this is through questions, or how do you get the baseline? It’s not like you’re hooking probes up to people or anything, is it? Or maybe this. I don’t know.

Tammy Cho [00:20:23]:
Yeah. No. But the I would essentially help someone get really clear, first of all, what are their goals.

James [00:20:28]:
Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:20:29]:
And I get, you know because some goals, they have quite a bit of attachment to the, so I chunk it down to, you know, one, aspect of energy, so to speak. Like, so if it’s money, so if they add the word I I’m open to receive or something like that, then that could affect the results. So I help them get really clear because sometimes the challenge is the receiving and not the money,

James [00:20:52]:
for example. Interesting. Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:20:54]:
I chunk things out according to, you know, what I see, you know, because a lot of goals, they end up being really long. Cho yeah. And so I just, essentially, I would measure you just neutral, like, you just being Heart, and I, essentially, I set the intention you set the intention to let me measure you. And, essentially, I use my my tool. I actually walk far away from the screen, and then I walk towards you and see how your energy field opens up, my equipment. Sometimes it actually closes, and sometimes it’s open. So it’s really interesting. And then I get you to, think of something negative now.

Tammy Cho [00:21:29]:
So I have the baseline of neutrality. And then I get you to think about something negative, get into the state of feeling it in your body. So it’s it’s as accurate as possible. The I measure you to see how your body responds to that. I write that down, and then I measure you shake that off, and you get to get get positive and think about something good again. Yeah. Get into the state, and I measure In, and I write that down so that I have a baseline. I’m not sure if you’ve done any other kind of energy measuring to.

James [00:21:56]:
No. Cho. Not at all.

Tammy Cho [00:21:58]:
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There’s there’s a few out there, but I like this particular one because it gives me, your your baseline. You know? How you react based on your baseline or how you react to positive and negative situation within your body. Right? So and then I test the three Calls. And, essentially, I see how their body reacts to it. So sometimes, it it closes to it.

Tammy Cho [00:22:22]:
Sometimes one side of it closes to it. Sometimes it opens far away. Sometimes it opens like it doesn’t open. You know? So it just gives me a lot of information and way to a way to measure, where someone is at. And energy is always, you know, moving and fluctuating. So, that’s why it’s it’s like, you know, oftentimes people come to me when they’ve been stuck at something for a while is what I notice. And Cho, usually, it’s been something that has been consistent for the. And so that’s what we’re measuring.

Tammy Cho [00:22:53]:
So did did that answer your question just to give you a bit of a

James [00:22:56]:
Yeah. Cho is this is this happening in person, or this is remote just like this podcast here?

Tammy Cho [00:23:02]:
Yeah. Just like Heart. Like, essentially. You know? So so I’ve I mean, a lot of my clients I mean, you know, over 90% of my clients are actually, international. So

James [00:23:10]:
Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:23:11]:
They’re not in person. So but, you know, I did this in person before. In definitely works as Call. But, you know, energy is not, location specific. It doesn’t need to be yeah.

James [00:23:22]:
And this is a physical tool that you’re using?

Tammy Cho [00:23:25]:
Yeah. Yeah. Just it’s just something metal that Call, transmit, not transmit energy, but, like, process energy Cho it does not affect my equipment.

James [00:23:35]:
Oh, interesting.

Tammy Cho [00:23:36]:
Yeah. It’s been, extremely accurate, from what I’ve been able to witness in my practice. Yeah. And I I think that there’s different, you know, muscle testing tools out there and things like that. So, like, a very basic On, you could put your hands index finger, your thumb together, and you literally just, kinda test. Like, you you say your name, and then you try to break the, fingers. But if you’re saying something that is truth, it’s not gonna break. If you’re saying something that is like, my name is Bob, you know, it weakens the.

Tammy Cho [00:24:14]:
So that’s a simple one that some people use, except that sometimes depending where your mind is, I noticed that it does it can change the results. So you gotta be surrendered and not attached to the outcome. And sometimes that’s hard for people to do. So that makes the yeah. It makes it, changes the answer is what I’m trying to say.

James [00:24:35]:
Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:24:36]:
Yeah.

James [00:24:36]:
So your your kid, when they hit that thing and you didn’t feel happiness, how long ago was that?

Tammy Cho [00:24:46]:
Yeah. She’s, 15 now.

James [00:24:49]:
Okay. Okay. So it’s been a little while. So now if she does something I don’t know. Drive well. I don’t know. Something Yeah. Where you should feel Tammy.

James [00:24:59]:
Now does happiness just come?

Tammy Cho [00:25:02]:
Yes. Yeah. Because, I mean, obviously, I did a lot of my work, inner work. You know? Part of my journey was, you know, I gotta be the leader I wanna be. You know? So, that is a lot big part of my journey, and it’s like, I think, you know, people that that have known me in the past and see me now, I’m just a completely different person. I wish I’d prepared my, pictures to show you because this was who I was when I burned out, and, you know, I look so different. And, you know, my skin color, my lip shape, my eye shape, like, In totally shifted.

James [00:25:37]:
And Really? Like, physically?

Tammy Cho [00:25:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. So, I mean, it’s it’s kinda cool, you know, coming, you know, from the background of being a nurse and then also doing face analysis, seeing how much power we have to shift our circumstances, but also our body is quite interesting. So what I do is that, you know, before I start with someone, I also do a face analysis at the very beginning so we Call identify everything. And, a lot of Tammy, I do it at the end, and I help them see, you know, see what has shifted in the work we do. Having said that, it doesn’t have to be like, at the end of the coaching package, I’ve had people that just had a face analysis, and it really depends where you are in your personal development and healing work, whatever you wanna call it, empowerment work, is that, you know, she was struggling. Her voice was definitely really raspy.

Tammy Cho [00:26:30]:
You know, her lips were quite thin, and it it just spoke to places of where she wasn’t fully expressing herself in business. And it’s not that she wasn’t able to speak on a live. It wasn’t like she was shy. It wasn’t, in that essence of how we connect to it. There was actually deeper places within her that, what is represented on her face is not only mental, but In emotional. And a lot of people run away from emotions. We like to move towards pleasure and away from pain.

James [00:26:58]:
That’s Yeah. Sweep it under the rug where it belongs. Right? Alright.

Tammy Cho [00:27:02]:
Yeah. So, unfortunately, it builds up. You know?

James [00:27:05]:
Turns out.

Tammy Cho [00:27:06]:
Yeah. And that Yeah. Yeah. And that’s what shifts our face. That’s what creates actually how our body looks. Like, why someone has more fat in one area, for example. It’s like indication of how much they’re protecting that area, or the amount of muscle in one part of your body speaks to how much you feel like you need to protect the area. So it’s quite interesting.

Tammy Cho [00:27:25]:
You know? Yeah. Yeah. All that all actually, you know, everyone’s body you know? Sometimes I sit there at a coffee shop and, you know, unconsciously, I just look at, you know, people walking by. It’s so hard not to, like, you know, read someone’s body sometimes. But I, you know, I try to keep someone’s, keep keep the boundary because this is someone else’s space. But yeah. But, this is a place where, you know, you could see that in everyone what is happening. And so when someone pays me, I I kinda look a little deeper, of course, and help them see themselves.

Tammy Cho [00:27:54]:
Because it’s not about what I see. It’s about how you you see yourself. And I my job is to uncover those emotional blocks that are silently draining your energy and your authentic confidence. You know? You know, like, I wore that mask that I was really put together. You know? And, you know, in reality, underneath, I wasn’t feeling very good about myself. And there’s a lot of people doing that out there. It’s part of what the kind of, like, you know, fills us up to, so to speak. That’s how it should be kinda thing.

Tammy Cho [00:28:25]:
And I think it does take a certain amount of leadership to go against that. Yeah. And so it’s it’s it’s quite amazing In in my my face and how, you know, that person was talking about with the expression, how her lips actually got more red, actually increased circulation to her lips. It was a week later, she got the comment, are are you wearing a new lipstick color? She’s like, no. I’m not. And she realized, like, her lips were more red, and it’s it starts to fill out. And so she was someone who was definitely she was working on all these stuff, all these things within herself, so, it shifted really fast in one session. But, yeah, like, definitely, when I do a before and after with a client, we Call see specifically what we’re we’re working on in our time together, and that part of the the is directly correlated to that shift on their face.

Tammy Cho [00:29:12]:
So that’s really cool. Right?

James [00:29:14]:
Yeah. It’s incredible. Tell me Yeah. When you so the time with your with your kid hit the thing, you don’t feel happy to now, what is the time frame where you’re like, alright. I can feel happiness without having to actively decide I’m gonna feel happy. Like, what was was there a moment, or was it over the course of time of studying all these things and these retreats and things like that?

Tammy Cho [00:29:39]:
Oh, well, I mean, it wasn’t like one session. I wouldn’t say I mean, initially, I went through the traditional therapy route. I didn’t find a lot of success there. Okay. Yeah. I I I found that’s why I was drawn to the whole energy because I noticed people who who Heart, you know, empower well, work with, intuitives, like, people that are really in tune with energy, I found that because I had a lot of trust issues back the. I I couldn’t actually let someone in unless, like, I like, I don’t know what it was. I just had issues letting people in.

Tammy Cho [00:30:12]:
And In kinda know, they kinda know how you feel. They they could feel you. You know? I real I discovered I was empath as Call, actually, after unraveling things within myself the I can feel other people’s emotions, if I tune into it. And so, yeah, I I I think I was drawn to that because I I I needed someone to see me when I wasn’t willing to see myself, and I couldn’t let anyone in. Like, I remember going to see, their piss. Right? And I could because I had, pretty strong intuition that I didn’t I wasn’t aware. Like, I could see someone hasn’t gone through what I gone through. I wouldn’t like, I didn’t have that trust.

Tammy Cho [00:30:50]:
Like, so a part of me was, I don’t know, protecting myself, but another part of me was also, like, you know, I was going I was not letting people in to help me, so it was one of those things. And so when I was working with people that, you know, that was their skill and they owned that as their skill, The really, really highly supported me. And and, honestly, James, if I were to let you know, like, it really wasn’t, you know, any particular tool that supported me. It was really how much love energy that person held. I know that sounds really odd, but I I

James [00:31:29]:
don’t know. I could see both ways, I guess. Yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:31:33]:
Yeah. Like, I I mean, I I I could logically get all these answers. I knew intellectually what I needed to do. Like, again, with like, whenever no. I knew what I needed to do. I’m smart. But it was emotionally. Right? And that was it.

Tammy Cho [00:31:46]:
Like, I I emotionally, part of me needed to actually feel safe enough and for someone to hold me In. Like, to the extent, like, this is what the, my teacher, ended up being my teacher, my mentor. Right? But she holds they called me in and said, you know, we feel Tammy, you’re, like, on this verge of, like, opening up, you know, your Heart, so to speak, because back then, I just had it really closed up. And, you know, we really wanna, you know, gift you another session. Right? And, anyways, I went in for the session. And I I didn’t know this, but it was their wedding day. Now this is a man In

James [00:32:23]:
This is your teacher’s wedding day?

Tammy Cho [00:32:24]:
Yes. Yes.

James [00:32:25]:
On your mentor’s wedding day? Wow. Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:32:27]:
Yeah. And, you know, they were, you know, being married. And I was I was so blown away because that’s how much they care about. They cared about Tammy. You know? That they would because then the they’re like, oh, can you do this Draw? This day, I I you know, I can’t remember exactly how that exchange went, but I’m like, well, yeah. I’m free this day. You know? So it was a wedding day. I was so shocked, and I was so touched.

Tammy Cho [00:32:51]:
I just couldn’t I was so shocked, and my heart had to open and and let them in. Like and it wasn’t easy. I mean, I had to let let go a lot of anger, James, honestly. But it was it was like, I I needed that. And, as a nurse myself, having worked with clients that, you know, had really extreme high blood sugar numbers, They’ve learned from everyone up the yin yang what they should be doing, but they’re not doing it. And I was able to bring their numbers down, and they literally said to me, James, like, the reason why, you know, I didn’t do this all this time I did with you is because I I you I could tell you care about me. And, you know, that was the biggest reward. Like, they have specialists saying, like, who’s this nurse? Like, I’ve been working with you for so long.

Tammy Cho [00:33:39]:
Like, why has she been able to do this? And In literally it’s not that people don’t have the smarts to mentally do what they need to do in life, whether entrepreneur or health or whatever. Right? It’s that there it’s like that hidden coffin. They don’t feel like they deserve it. Fair. And that’s the other side of the receiving piece. You know?

James [00:34:01]:
You mentioned that worthiness. I think that was a term that you used.

Tammy Cho [00:34:05]:
Right? Yes. Yes.

James [00:34:07]:
So Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about that.

Tammy Cho [00:34:10]:
Yeah. It’s you know, there’s differ there’s a difference between you know, we use confidence very In interchangeably. You know? And, you know, you confidence is something that you can, you know, get better at a skill. You know? You don’t feel good at public speaking. You could build it up and get good at it. Right? And then you get confident in that skill. But my experience is very different from worthiness where, you know, you’re good enough just just as you are without doing another thing in life. There In, like, a innate, like, you know, I’m I’m I’m worth it to be here.

Tammy Cho [00:34:43]:
I’m worth it to to speak. It just and and it’s just a part of you that doesn’t question that, you know, your, your enoughness. I know it’s hard to, like, really word, a feeling, but feeling like, wow. Like, I’m I’m like this amazing ball of love, you know, or whatever. I’m like this amazing, like, human, and I have so much to give. And, and I feel that way without having to actually do something. I am just being that. And I think this is the experience that a lot of people who are on their own, you know, spiritual journeys In often you hear people talk about the.

Tammy Cho [00:35:27]:
And it’s actually the same journey. Personal development, spirituality often leads to a very similar feeling. You know? None of us actually arrive. We’re all human having, you know, a spiritual person having a human experience. Whatever you wanna call In.

James [00:35:40]:
Nirvana. Right?

Tammy Cho [00:35:42]:
But but there’s something. There’s that authentic confidence and and, you know, I speak about a lot of this on my podcast, authentic leaders rising, is that embodying our authentic energy leadership is that when we actually remember who we are out of this, like, body and and really the trueness of who we Heart. And, you know, that that that’s what I love about the work because I’m not just like, who are you? Right? We’re actually going deeper into the layers. And it’s like this energy essence of who they are starts to come out, and it’s like In filters through everything you do. I’ve been in a, Call with a client, sorry, a potential client where, you know, I was Call out of integrity. Right? I was, like, leading this client into a particular thing I was selling at that time. And she she said the. I feel like you’re you’re leading me to something you want me to lead versus what I need.

Tammy Cho [00:36:39]:
And in that moment, I was I I shifted my energy. I was like, yeah. You know what? I checked in with myself. I wasn’t, like, offended. I really honored her for speaking truth in that moment, and I admitted, you know, I’m out of integrity right now, and you’re right. And I I said that, you know, and I I go, may I just redo this? And I just you know, I I came from a place of, like, surrender and care and accountability, and she ended up deciding to work with me. And it’s really being able to go to a place within ourselves that we’re shifting our beingness or essence that transforms our transforms our every experience. Actually, it’s creating our life, actually.

Tammy Cho [00:37:23]:
Like, that’s energy leadership. And, you know, we’re in and out of it sometimes, but it’s like, you know, we aim, like anything, to be our best self most of the time. I like to Great. I like to

James [00:37:35]:
As often as you can.

Tammy Cho [00:37:36]:
Yeah. Yes. Yes. You aim

James [00:37:38]:
for perfection, but if you get pretty good, you’re doing better than most, I believe.

Tammy Cho [00:37:44]:
Yeah. Yeah. I always tell my daughters, you know, don’t aim for perfection. Aim for permanent. Like, you know

James [00:37:49]:
Oh, interesting.

Tammy Cho [00:37:51]:
Yeah. So I’ve been trying to change my language around that, for my daughters because I know that in my upbringing, it’s all about you gotta be perfect. So that’s why I wore that mask. Right?

James [00:37:59]:
Mhmm.

Tammy Cho [00:37:59]:
And I don’t wanna create that with my kids. I wanna create something different. Yeah. You know, teach my kids, you know, like, you gotta feel your emotions and, you know, all these kind of things. You know? We try to be the you know, give our kids things that we didn’t get Right. In many levels. Right? So

James [00:38:15]:
Yeah. If they’re anything like my son, they get a sweet, sweet life, and they have no idea how good they have it. But it’s

Tammy Cho [00:38:22]:
Yeah. Yeah. I guess that’s the other side of the problem as parents. Right? It’s Call learning the the necessary learnings of grit as well In is definitely, you know, lacking. And and that’s the culture. It’s unfortunately, and, you know, that’s probably another, story In On another podcast, but, but it’s really real. So

James [00:38:43]:
Fair. Tell me about you said did you say energy leadership or emotional leadership? I think it was energy leadership.

Tammy Cho [00:38:51]:
Yeah. And and it’s really interesting that, you know, you’re saying both of those because, essentially, you know, energy leadership a lot has a lot to do with emotional leadership. Like I mentioned, it’s it’s like, you know, emotions, it’s really something whether Heart we cry, for example. That’s energy and motion when we really let go of emotion. Right? In that moment, you know, we’re having the argument with our wife or husband, and you choose to be vulnerable and you let go. It kinda feels like that letting go. Yeah. And then the moment where you’re holding on, it’s like, I’m right.

James [00:39:28]:
You know,

Tammy Cho [00:39:28]:
whatever that is. Right? So you Call see one’s in motion, one’s out of, motion, and it essentially is energy leadership, a lot of the time. It’s our ability to be in a state of being that we choose versus one of the Path that we’re holding on to.

James [00:39:44]:
Okay. So not a reaction. It’s more the is what I’m going to be, do, feel right now?

Tammy Cho [00:39:50]:
Yeah. And I think a a lot of energy leadership In realizing that a lot of, our past is creating our world if we allow it. And so it’s really conscious energy leadership, but it’s also partnering with our unconscious. Mhmm. I like the saying from Carl Jung. It’s like, until you make the unconscious conscious, it will run your life and you will call it fate.

James [00:40:16]:
Oh, yeah. I forgot about that quote. Great quote.

Tammy Cho [00:40:18]:
Yeah. Yeah. I love that quote. And it’s it’s so true. That’s so true. And so I feel like what I want to, you know, message out and bring to the world is the importance of really partnering with our subconscious. And the beauty with NLP is that it does it does have practices to support that. And, you know, NLP In NLP is not the only only one, but it’s the most structured one, for people to learn from.

James [00:40:46]:
Very good. Yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:40:47]:
Yeah. But there’s, you know, all these different ways. It Calls down to our intention. Right? How we choose to lead that because energy Calls our intention and our attention and all those wonderful things. Right? And Cho, yeah, just wanna make sure I answered your question.

James [00:41:03]:
No. The only I guess, digging into that a little bit deeper, the leadership portion of that sounds like it’s leading yourself, not necessarily leading a crowd or other people.

Tammy Cho [00:41:15]:
Yeah. I I think, with my type of work, I definitely, I do work with people, community leaders, entrepreneurs that see themselves as leaders or emerging leaders, On the see themselves the leaders or emerging leaders, even. Right? And there is a place that it is self leadership that is running our lives. And I I think people call it business. They call it parenting, whatever we wanna call it. We are a leader. And until we actually put In to see it that way, and to lead from our authentic, leadership, aligned to our values, and all those wonderful things. Like, we tend to, like, slide off of it.

Tammy Cho [00:41:51]:
So, you know what I mean? It’s a different intention. It’s different energy using the word leadership versus mothering. I just

James [00:41:58]:
Oh, gotcha.

Tammy Cho [00:41:58]:
It’s different, you know, like parenting. Like, I’m running my business. Like, are you a leader? You better see yourself as a leader. You’re you’re as a the.

James [00:42:05]:
Better be. Yeah.

Tammy Cho [00:42:06]:
The business. Right?

James [00:42:07]:
Yeah. You don’t wanna be a follower if you’re the one in charge.

Tammy Cho [00:42:11]:
Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, there’s things in that, like, leading and, learning to allow people to follow you. But for at the end of the day, we need to model what we teach. Right? And I definitely aim to do that, and, aim to be permanent in that. Okay. But yeah. And so, it is a self leadership piece.

Tammy Cho [00:42:31]:
And, how you know, perhaps this is my, you know, nursing lens in it. Right? The body mind, heart soul alignment In that what makes someone when we go into a room actually command the room? Like, what what is that? It’s when they’re actually aligned in their mind and their heart and their soul and their will. Like, when you are in alignment in all these places, that’s when your energy essence, you’re leading the room by that. And it really doesn’t matter what strategy, what words you’re using because you’re in alignment. It’s just like you’re in conviction and authentic confidence. Right? And so, that to me, right, that’s what I I I strive for. The part that is often missing is the heart and the body because we live in a society where people are walking around disconnected with their bodies, unfortunately. Phonic disease is on the rise for a reason.

Tammy Cho [00:43:30]:
And and so there is a a place where sometimes we are being On. I mean, well, I should say, going about feeling confident, you know, to the extent that we know. Right? But our embodiment, like, your shoulders are definitely, like, rounded in like this or, like, you know, the way you’re you’re walking, your feet is not straight. It’s kind of off an angle. It’s actually hit unconsciously, you’re still replaying old patterns. So there’s something to be said about, like, being in touch with your body, realizing when you do the, actually, over time, you’re causing pain in your body, but you got used to it. So you’re kind of holding in the amount of fear Call that, it’s our ability to receive more in life. So it’s aligning the body, to not to be more in alignment, versus letting maybe a younger aspect of yourself replay that in your body.

Tammy Cho [00:44:24]:
Right? And so it’s like the that’s where mindset. Right? Linking in with your embodiment, you know, with then you’re feeling actually another more let’s just say. That makes sense. Whenever you work through more of the emotional and in your body, it’s it’s inevitable if that’s your intention to be more tech connected to your soul. What actually matters to us? Why are we be doing this anyway? You know what I mean?

James [00:44:51]:
What’s it all for?

Tammy Cho [00:44:53]:
Yeah. Why? You wake up one day. It’s like, why am I here? I’m so sad and, you know, midlife crisis, whatever. Right? It’s Yeah. It’s because, like, the disconnection has come, like, full force. So so, yeah, if we could definitely live from a place of, you know, with consciousness and awareness at that level, I feel like that is true leadership. You know?

James [00:45:15]:
Tell me let’s shift okay. Let’s shift gears into the the facial reading. Is that what you called it?

Tammy Cho [00:45:22]:
Yeah. Face analysis, we could call it.

James [00:45:24]:
Face analysis. Okay. Help me understand what that is.

Tammy Cho [00:45:27]:
Yeah. For sure. So, like, literally, every feature on your face speaks to, what is happening. Like, your face and body, actually. It’s it’s speaking to essentially your whole thoughts and emotions. It’s your emotional history. Like, the way your ankles one ankle In, like, maybe thicker than another in size to, you know, the way your ankles are shaped. It’s all built from when you’re a child and emotional experiences that you created at that time, and Call how, something is built in your embodiment.

Tammy Cho [00:46:07]:
I mentioned about the muscle tone to, protective tissue, how where that’s located, indicates, you know, what kind of childhood you had. Right? And it’s it’s, creating, our physical features on our our faces. It speaks a lot to our personality and how we, you know, empowered ourselves to be living in life. Someone with a round face, would definitely have more of a softness gentle kinda person whereas someone that has more rectangle or, straight lines are more logical. They like the facts. They get like to be practical. Right? So it’s it speaks to different personality aspects. Each, facial structure speaks to a, we we do use chakras as well in face analysis, but it’s the the accuracy of bringing, you know, the intangible to the tangible together through the face.

Tammy Cho [00:47:06]:
It’s it’s it’s amazing. It’s I I would say it’s 9098% accurate from what I’ve seen in my work. And sometimes, In don’t know the person. I just tell them what I see. And, you know, most of the Tammy, they’re blown away or it’s like sometimes it’s Call language filter out so many, because, yeah, like, it’s like saying things different ways. It would support someone and how it fits with their language system in their neuro, dynamics and how they process information. So So there’s a bit of that aspect, as we learn in NLP. So with, your face, I mentioned this a little earlier how the left side is our private world, and the right side is the public face, what we show the world.

Tammy Cho [00:47:49]:
And often, when we look at a face, we’re not thinking it’s really off center or anything like the. But because I’m doing that analysis where I literally do face splits, I put two left sides together and two right sides together, and I see how someone relates to themselves. Even before we start, I ask them, you know, when you took these pictures for me, what jumped out at you? What did you like? What didn’t you like? And I like to ask that just before saying anything because, this helps me see where are they in judgment of themselves, where are their strengths, and what they appreciate, you know, in sense of their strengths. Right? I also get them to tell me what their intention what they wanna uncover, for example. And it’s a very varied intention, but often, you know, what exactly what they need to hear will come up. So it’s really beautiful in that sense. And it’s it’s a lot of people finish the face analysis. They’re like, wow.

Tammy Cho [00:48:41]:
I feel like I was Heart hours or something because it’s like so you’re literally going into yourself, and I I’m I’m to I’m holding the space for someone to drop from their head into their bodies because, otherwise, it’s just like any quiz you take online. Right? It’s more mental than you’re actually getting into your body. Cho, yeah, the, yeah, those are the kind of pieces I I speak to, and I essentially see where are you not allowing yourself to be yourself, your authentic self. You know? And I’ve had some clients actually like, we look at baby like, younger pictures, maybe not a baby picture. And we see, like, is there something significant with your adult face and your kid face? Yeah. Like and sometimes it’s like, is this a conscious choice, or did you not want that to change? You know? Because then when you know what different features mean, then you could be conscious about it. Like, is that something you wanna return to? Like, obviously, not, well, youthful. I’m not not like you know, you could go back, turn back the signs of time per se.

James [00:49:42]:
Yeah. Do we get more hair? Yeah. Yeah. Option.

Tammy Cho [00:49:47]:
Yeah. But, like, even, like, you know, women care about the clarity of our face, and that has a lot to do with our level of self awareness. So when we do the more inner work and process through things, right, you start to see a glow through someone’s face.

James [00:50:01]:
Alright.

Tammy Cho [00:50:01]:
Notice that. Right?

James [00:50:03]:
Yeah. Absolutely.

Tammy Cho [00:50:04]:
So so things like that. So it’s just, really unconscious, but it’s all sort of written in our face and body. And my job is to help someone sort of fall in love with their authentic self. I like the name.

James [00:50:16]:
Nice. Yeah. So I like that phrase. Fall in love with your authentic self. That’s cool. So when you are doing this reading, is it from a picture, or is the person just staring at the camera and you’re like, okay. Do you have a whiteboard or something? Or how are you tell me about the logistics. I’m looking at this so Sure.

James [00:50:35]:
I’m trying to look at it so logically that maybe it’s the wrong way to look at it. But

Tammy Cho [00:50:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. You do have the face structure for that, but it’s all good. You have a better mix. But, but, yeah, I I actually get someone to send me pictures. Thanks to COVID, I thought that I only do this in person. Yeah. But thanks to COVID, I explored and I ventured into my little soup.

Tammy Cho [00:50:55]:
I, yeah, I essentially just do it, do the face splits, and then I actually walk someone through a journey on a PowerPoint with the pic pictures they send me. I usually want to, obviously have the most present picture because, you know, if you took something, you could’ve went through something, your face does change. So I like to have the most, you know, up to date In, especially if you’re going through something and you’re wanting, like, to speak about something specifically, then we could do that. And then if they we wanna compare, then we could do that later. But, yeah, you should just take the most present photo, and I send instructions on how to take, you know, the side views, the front view, may In light, you know, all those kind of things.

James [00:51:37]:
Okay. So it’s multiple?

Tammy Cho [00:51:39]:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and so I just I just prep the presentation, and I essentially do my thing. But I also ask for your birth date, because, it’s a little bit of numerology as it pertains to how it shows up on your face. And it’s so interesting, James. Right? Like, let’s say I do your birthday, and, you know, there’s three numbers that I I speak to. One is your personality numbers, and then the last one is your soul number, kind of like, your purpose number, so to speak.

Tammy Cho [00:52:08]:
So whether you believe in this or not, I could tell you that it’s very interesting that the when I go through the face analysis and I see where someone struggles with challenges, where their strengths are, you know, what’s going on, you know, with the part of the face maybe they don’t have a liking to. And then we look at their numbers. It’s like exactly the things that they’re having challenges with is actually part of their life path to live their purpose out. Cho it’s so it’s so In, I that that aligns In that way. And and then you Call see from that, like, okay. Well, these are the these are what you this is what you came Heart, you know, well, if you believe in this or not, but I’ve seen enough stuff to know that there In more than one life. But, anyways, because our our body actually holds more than this lifetime. It holds past lifetimes.

James [00:52:58]:
Okay.

Tammy Cho [00:52:58]:
That’s another topic on another podcast. But but, essentially, what I’m I’m highlighting here is that, it’s just so interesting, what is pertaining, what we see in the body, what challenges we’re struggling with In what our soul came here to, learn so that we can live out our purpose. And, even in the sense of, you know, looking at someone walks, I could see if they’re actually In walking in line with their purpose and on direction with their purpose. And, you know, this is another piece of the the body mind Heart soul alignment that I speak to In that if you think about it, if your foot is, you know, walking, let’s say, you know usually, you think your feet is straight, but if you look, a lot of people don’t have feet straight. They’re they’re, you know, different directions.

James [00:53:43]:
No. You look at footprints in the snow, and it’s rare that they’re pointed straight.

Tammy Cho [00:53:47]:
Yeah. Yeah. And so if we keep walking like this, you’re never actually gonna arrive to your sole purpose. Right? And so it’s it’s it’s it’s and if you walk like this, you’re gonna have knee problems and hip problems. So it’s all connected, the body, mind, heart, soul. Like, whether you’re on purpose, whether, you know, your mindset’s aligned to, you know, what your heart wants, to because when we live so aligned, we have, we feel fulfilled. I’m not sure how you connect to that yourself, James, but it’s when we feel like we’re making a difference, exercising our highest gifts, we feel happy.

James [00:54:27]:
Absolutely.

Tammy Cho [00:54:27]:
Joy, you know, fulfilled. Ideally, we align that in our business. Right? Yeah. And so those are the the the pieces is that when we’re out of alignment, it shows in our body. It also causes physical symptoms. Cho, literally, our physical symptoms are expressed to our body is causing is telling us we’re out of soul alignment. You know? So it’s actually all related. So whether, you know, life is made perfectly, whether some you’re someone that’s attracted to more the physicalness of, like, maybe seeing a doctor, you know, maybe seeing a naturopath.

Tammy Cho [00:54:59]:
Like, you’re trying to better one part of your life. And then some people, they’re working on the mentor or they’re emotional. Right? And all these kind of things, soul. But, actually, what if we align them together? Because they actually connect, together. Like, if you have a physical ailment, it’s trying to communicate to you what’s happening. Heart you connected to it or not? Are you ignoring it? It turns into disease. If you’re ignoring that, you’re ignoring your sole purpose. You know? Cho, yeah, it’s it’s In.

Tammy Cho [00:55:24]:
Right? When you start to look at things this way

James [00:55:26]:
Oh, yeah. It’s all connected.

Tammy Cho [00:55:28]:
You could have good health and be happy and, you know, make a difference doing what you love, you know, all those wonderful things. So, I think that’s the best way to live once I I realized it. You know? And my soul path, I had to do I had to go through all the stuff, and pain and all these things in order to arrive to my soul’s journey. Right? So so, yeah, it’s just the perfect.

James [00:55:51]:
That’s the game, though. Isn’t it? It’s rare that somebody just shows up and has it all figured out if they haven’t gone through anything where they had to earn it, essentially, by going through that pain or whatever it is.

Tammy Cho [00:56:04]:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we definitely need to be molded to some extent. We need to discover and learn things. And so, yeah, having that mindset, though. Right? Like, realizing that, you know, everything bad that happens is actually a realignment journey to bring us back to self. But then if you never have that intention of coming back to self, it just feels like isolated events of bad things happening to you, which, you know, you can mindset your way, out of it and think positive all you want, but you don’t have the intention to realign yourself and to bridge the, life is gonna feel a little bit disconnected. Totally.

Tammy Cho [00:56:41]:
Cho that’s the difference too. So

James [00:56:44]:
Totally. It’s I guess, for me, personally, the challenge that I find is that there’s an awareness that it’s all connected. But sometimes In seems like it’s so I guess, from a logical mind, you can’t see necessarily directly how it’s connected. So you’re thinking, oh my gosh. This is like playing chess where I gotta be six moves ahead. I’m just gonna do whatever this easy thing that I know and I can see, and it’s tangible. And it’s arguably easy In of trying to figure out what in the world. There’s all these moving pieces and Yeah.

James [00:57:19]:
Try to, I guess that’s, I guess, where my headspace gets oftentimes where it’s just you get in this whirlwind. You’re like, ah, I don’t wanna be In part of that.

Tammy Cho [00:57:30]:
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s where, like, the alignment, grounding, centerness, like, however you wanna call it, like, coming back. Like, that’s your base. Like, you always come back to that. So even though if you fall off, you could come back to it faster and faster. And I think that’s the piece that, is needed right off the bat. That’s why I start with the feet.

Tammy Cho [00:57:48]:
I start with teaching someone how to walk differently again, because you gotta be in your body and into ground you know, being grounded. And it it’s not that, you know, people aren’t grounded. So I I go I go according to, you know, where people are living from. Like, you know, everyone’s on a different journey at the end of the day. So, but, yeah, that centered In grounding and alignment right off the bat is, helpful to start with. And then, yeah, and then we sort of navigate according to, you know, the needs of what your goals are. But, yeah, like, that that’s what I I I don’t know your connection to that piece of, like, centered and roundedness. What In that comes up for you when I speak about that?

James [00:58:32]:
For me, what comes up, I used to be a mechanic way back when. And anytime you had an electrical gremlin in a car, the joke was that it’s always the ground. It’s always the ground. You gotta find where the ground is. And it was one of those things where you’d end up finding in the case of a car, you’d find something where a mouse ate through or the ground strap just rusted through or something like that, and all of a sudden, electrical gremlins are gone. So and I think that’s a good analogy for being grounded because once you get that figured out, stuff just works better.

Tammy Cho [00:59:09]:
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s just coming back to center and then realigning all the other Heart, then it it becomes easy when you could see it that way. And even, like, you know, going out there one day, you know, I don’t know what to do in this situation. Just gonna, like, center Heart, go for a Call, you set the intention, and this thought comes up about grounding the electricity. There’s no problems. Right? And In, anyway, I’m just saying the. Like, just setting the intention and going out for a walk, oftentimes, the answer’s gonna come in.

Tammy Cho [00:59:35]:
And it’s, like, it’s really beautiful how metaphorically, it’s really how the universe speaks to us.

James [00:59:41]:
Right.

Tammy Cho [00:59:42]:
So

James [00:59:42]:
Very true.

Tammy Cho [00:59:43]:
Yeah. Right? So it’s quite quite beautiful

James [00:59:46]:
if we think about

Tammy Cho [00:59:47]:
how so much we have access to so much when we are grounded and centered. So

James [00:59:52]:
Fair. So true.

Tammy Cho [00:59:53]:
Yeah.

James [00:59:53]:
So true. Yeah. So, Tammy, where can people find you?

Tammy Cho [00:59:58]:
Yeah. You could go to my website, Path to the Heart, like, exactly how it sounds. Like, a walking in a Path to the heart at PathstotheHeart.com. K. And I also have a podcast In you wanna follow myself. It’s called Authentic Leaders Rising as I spoke to that a little bit earlier. And, just email me, Path Tammy, t a m m y, at Path to the Heart dot com.

James [01:00:19]:
Nice. So yeah. Tell me where did the name Path to the Heart come from?

Tammy Cho [01:00:27]:
Yeah. That you know, whenever you start a business, like, what to I name myself? And, you know, literally, that is just something that dropped through one day because I knew it was something to do with the heart. I just I just, a lot of people talk to me, and they they say I emanate this sense of passion, and, they feel very safe around me. So I really wanted to fit into my energy branding, so to speak. And yeah. So it kinda just dropped you. I’m I’m walking people literally on the path back to their heart. So

James [01:00:57]:
Nice.

Tammy Cho [01:00:58]:
There’s no special, other meaning besides that. So

James [01:01:01]:
No. That’s enough. That’s Yeah. It doesn’t have to be earth shattering or anything. And in this case, it almost says exactly what it In, so that’s good.

Tammy Cho [01:01:10]:
Yeah. Beautiful.

James [01:01:12]:
I do out of curiosity, when you you mentioned, working with therapists, and now that can be, just ongoing and not necessarily solving the problem. Not saying it won’t work for everyone, but for a lot of people, you just see, like, I’ve been in therapy twenty years and whatever. Mhmm. So with something like what you’re doing from my point of view, and you can totally correct me if I’m wrong because I probably am. I feel like there’s a beginning. This is where we’re at. This is what we need to do to get to where you’re gonna be. And from that point on, as long as the person does the things where they know what to do, they’re cool.

James [01:01:50]:
They don’t have to see you indefinitely. Is that accurate, or is this more you may not need to see you as often, but it’s still you gotta do your push ups kinda thing?

Tammy Cho [01:02:00]:
Yeah. And I I I used to call myself a healer. You know? I’m I don’t I you know, you know, technically, I’m a psychosomatic therapist, but I I link in healing with coaching. Because

James [01:02:13]:
what

Tammy Cho [01:02:13]:
I see is some people get stuck in healing forever, but they’re not taking action.

James [01:02:17]:
Oh, yeah. And victim.

Tammy Cho [01:02:19]:
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s a bridging of the masculine and feminine, energy. And so for myself, I’m helping people be the best version of themselves. Cho it doesn’t necessarily all about emotional healing. There’s the step one is healing big to, small t trauma, different mindsets connected to that, you know, soul alignment pieces. And then there’s the leadership piece, energy leadership, I like to call In. Authentic energy leadership, where we literally learn to actually fall in love with ourselves and lead from that place.

James [01:02:54]:
Mhmm.

Tammy Cho [01:02:55]:
So there’s actually two aspects, because, yeah, you get stuck in healing, going to therapy where you’re talking about all the time. You know, trauma could be healed in an hour. Right? It I mean, everyone’s different, but I’m just saying, like, because some people think they need to go therapy forever. And then there’s some people that go coaching and they push themselves to limits. Nothing’s working because they didn’t fall back and do the emotional work. You know? So it’s really I like to do it as a bridge with the body, mind, heart alignment, and I just trust my intuition to guide me. It’s been hasn’t failed me yet. So

James [01:03:29]:
Nice. I keep on doing that.

Tammy Cho [01:03:31]:
So so, hopefully, that answers your question.

James [01:03:33]:
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I love it. Tammy, thank you so much for being on the show.

Tammy Cho [01:03:39]:
Yeah. Thank you for having me. It’s a delight talking to you, James.

James [01:03:42]:
Yeah. This has been it’s been enlightening because it’s, I wanna say that I dare consider myself to be more I don’t know. Less. Well, I mean, argument could be made that I’m less spiritual than I would like to be or even should be as far as that goes because you get so into systems and processes and even body. I like to work out every day, blah blah blah, all that stuff. And the spiritual stuff is just like, yeah, whatever Call hang on while I’m going. That’s gonna be there In of, instead of really pursuing or building or growing that, I guess. So it’s always interesting to talk to someone who’s in a position or profession doing what you’re doing because then it just reminds me, oh, yeah.

James [01:04:33]:
There’s another facet of life.

Tammy Cho [01:04:36]:
Yeah, James. And I I would say for you that you’re probably already living your spirituality to some extent. It’s just that you haven’t found the words to ground it to express it for yourself. That’s what I’m I’m sensing for you. One of the the things I do is human design, and it’s like the energy In, purpose stuff that, the stuff you can’t explain logically, but when you hear it said to you, you’re kinda like, yeah. You know, that’s what I felt when I got my human design. So, yeah, you you you’re you know, just based on seeing your facial structure, you’re full you’re fully expressed. You have so much, like, grounding in many ways, to the, and it’s I think it’s just, like, little pieces of filling in the blanks for you, and then you’re like, okay.

Tammy Cho [01:05:20]:
Got it. Anyway, that’s what I think for you.

James [01:05:24]:
Sure. Fair. I love it.

Tammy Cho [01:05:26]:
Yeah. Yeah.

James [01:05:27]:
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Tammy Cho [01:06:14]:
Yeah. That sounds perfect.

James [01:06:15]:
Alright. We’d like to thank you, our wonderful listeners, as well as our guest, Tammy Cho of Path to the Heart. Tammy, can you tell us that website one more time?

Tammy Cho [01:06:24]:
Yes. It’s pathtotheheart.com.

James [01:06:28]:
Awesome. And that’s all one word. Right? No dashes or spaces or anything?

Tammy Cho [01:06:32]:
That’s right. All one word. Just pathtotheheart.com. Yeah.

James [01:06:34]:
Doesn’t get easier than that. Past episodes can be found morning, noon, and night at the podcast link found at drawincustomers.com. Thank you for joining us. We will see you next week. I want you to stay awesome. And if you do nothing else, enjoy your business.