Get Into Flow

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Molly Hildebrandt – Hildebrandt Consulting LLC

 

Podcast Overview:

00:00 Unlocking Personal Energy Sources
06:38 Discovering Your Intrinsic Self
12:39 “Overloaded Mental Load”
19:39 Avoiding Burnout Through Prioritization
26:08 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome Struggles
30:25 “Motherhood and Business Expectations”
33:04 “Building Genuine Self-Esteem”
40:52 From Bullying Roots to Leadership
43:35 Choosing Executive Coaching Over Personal Training
52:26 “Handling Criticism and Self-Esteem”
56:10 Empowering Leadership Development Autonomy
59:16 “Parenting: Recognizing Teen Growth Moments”
01:04:39 Mother-Daughter Bonding Through Communication
01:10:32 “Growth Amid Relationship Challenges”

Podcast Transcription:

Molly Hildebrandt [00:00:00]:
Leaders and parents to discover who they are intrinsically, their uniqueness, so they can truly and intentionally lead from who they are, that the whole authentic leadership.

James Kademan [00:00:11]:
Yeah, you know, we love that word authentic.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:00:13]:
We love authentic. So authentic leadership. But then we really start to work through different thought processes and understand how their mind and their brain work so that they can dissolve and get to the root issue of various mental wellness hurts, hurdles and challenges. To really help them start stepping into mental resilience and to be able to hold their thought process regardless of what’s going on with the kids or with.

James Kademan [00:00:42]:
You have found Authentic Business Adventures, the business program that brings you the struggle stories and triumphant successes of business owners across the land. We are locally underwritten by the bank of Sun Prairie. Downloadable audio episodes can be found in the podcast link found@drawincustomers.com and today we are welcoming Slash, preparing to learn from Molly Hildebrandt of Hildebrandt Consulting. Molly, how is it going today?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:01:05]:
Oh, fantastic. Thank you for having me.

James Kademan [00:01:07]:
Thank you for being on the show here. Let’s just start out with the basic foundation. What is Hildebrandt Consulting?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:01:13]:
Hildebrandt Consulting is a leadership development company.

James Kademan [00:01:16]:
All right.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:01:16]:
I facilitate leaders and parents to discover who they are intrinsically, their uniqueness, so they can truly and intentionally lead from who they are. That the whole authentic leadership.

James Kademan [00:01:28]:
Yeah, you know, we love that word, authentic leadership.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:01:30]:
We love authentic. So authentic leadership. But then we really start to work through different thought processes and understand how their mind and their brain work so that they can dissolve and get to the root issue of various mental wellness hurdles and challenges. To really help them start stepping into mental resilience and to be able to hold their thought process regardless of what’s going on with the kids or what’s going on with the board or what’s going on with work, any context. They can show up and be resilient and be their best selves. And then I’m a certified flow coach. So I help people determine and develop their unique process for flow, which is the optimal mental state where we are really in our peak performance state.

James Kademan [00:02:10]:
Okay, Flo, There was a book, I believe, called Flow that I read there. Is that okay? I was like, flow coach?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:02:16]:
What is that?

James Kademan [00:02:16]:
Okay. All right. So this is essentially how to get into flow, or you help people get into flow.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:02:21]:
Yeah. We all know the benefits of flow. We know why flow is important, that it’s where we’re most creative, we’re most innovative. Our brain is releasing all these pleasure chemicals, and it’s the Best state for our brain to be and we never fatigue. However, there’s no other model that teaches people how to intentionally flow. Because part of this whole model that I work under or work with helps you determine your uniqueness. And no one else has a model for uniqueness. And you have to know who you are to be able to then gain mental resilience, to then be able to step into your unique process for flow.

James Kademan [00:02:53]:
All right, my goodness, you touched on 5 million things here. So let me think about where to take it. First one is, if somebody discovers that there’s something and they want to be something different, can you help them with that?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:03:05]:
What do you mean by that?

James Kademan [00:03:06]:
Well, spitballing.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:03:08]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:03:08]:
But someone’s comes to a. Is it presentations? Is it one on one coaching? What kind of thing do you have?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:03:14]:
All of the above. So I’m a keynote speaker. I facilitate interactive workshops and I also am an executive coach.

James Kademan [00:03:21]:
All right. I guess through my experience going to different seminars and stuff like that, people, I guess I’ve gone to Tony Robbins stuff and they call it breakthroughs.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:03:31]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:03:31]:
Where people realize that they’re doing something or believe something that is holding them back, or they learn about a fear that they have or something of that nature. So I guess learning how to flow, maybe they’re learning like, I don’t even like what I’m doing, or something of that nature. Like you learn how to get really good at something, maybe you don’t want to do that something, whatever that may be. So I guess what my point is, maybe when people are digging through, going to one of your presentations, they learn something like, oh, I gotta shift into a not only different gear, but maybe a whole different car.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:04:05]:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I work with individuals to really determine how do they uniquely gain energy. Because we all do things based off of energy. Why didn’t I clean the garage last weekend? I didn’t feel like it. That’s energy. So being able to help people tap into their unique energy source will help them then be able to figure out where do they get energy? Where is what are the energy drains? And then be able to possibly, sometimes if there is different deeply held beliefs or unhealthy beliefs that they might have, we can truly unpack that and determine are those beliefs, are those behaviors, are those patterns serving them, are they facilitating them in a healthy direction? Or are they holding them back from something more? And then we can really help them start to make progress in an intentional direction where they are gaining energy and hopefully becoming the best version of themselves in that Process.

James Kademan [00:04:54]:
All right, so it sounds like you have a list of where people get energy. Is that safe to say or a rough idea? So if I said, hey, Molly, I need more energy, would you tell me, like, find a coffee, get out, put.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:05:08]:
All these chemicals in your body. That’s what I would say. No, no. Although I do love me some coffee. No, no, no. Hate against coffee. No. We would discover, and we would really discuss your uniqueness and determine who is James intrinsically, your mind and your soul.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:05:25]:
What is that unique element of you that’s been there from birth, that’s never changed? And this is very different from personality tests. Personality tests, let’s name a few. Myers Briggs Insight, Discovery, Enneagram, like. Exactly. Those are really measuring your external behavior relative to a context. Think of the last time you took one. Let’s take Myers Briggs, for example. You sit there, you’ve got your list of questions, and they ask you to imagine you’re sitting at work.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:05:54]:
So that’s a context. So now you’re determining your behaviors relative to that context. The difference between that and what I do, because those external behaviors are going to change when your context changes. So that’s not really figuring out who you are. It’s figuring out how you show up in different contexts. What I do is I determine who you are intrinsically, that internal cause within you that is consistent and doesn’t change. And I call that your intangible driver. So the way that the analogy that I think helps people understand it is if we think of our mind, it’s like our uniqueness and our brain is the gray matter, right? Well, I’m not my brain.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:06:38]:
My brain isn’t who I am. So there’s a distinction. So the intangible driver is who you are intrinsically, and that runs and operates your physical brain, which is your car. So it’s the driver of your car. So I work with people to determine who they are uniquely so they can tap into that and start to let more of that out, which is where they’re going to uniquely gain energy. How you gain energy is going to be different from how I gain energy. And so we’re going to figure out who you would be intrinsically and who you are intrinsically and let more of that come out. And then as we’re going through that, we’d be repairing your car and making sure that your thought processor, thought processes are in order.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:07:17]:
So looking at sources of depression, which are energy drains and suppressions of our energy to presence of our energy triggers, where do you lose your cool? Where Are you. Where do you go into fight, flight, freeze, and have and experience extreme energy drains? So we would start looking at these different areas in conjunction with really helping you start to hone in and live out your uniqueness intentionally as we’re repairing these different thought processes.

James Kademan [00:07:46]:
All right, how do you find that?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:07:48]:
Find your uniqueness?

James Kademan [00:07:49]:
Yeah. Correct.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:07:50]:
In my Instagram profile, I work with individuals. There’s a link to a quiz that you can take. My certification is through Flosis, your unique process for flow. And they have a quiz, a proprietary model that you can take the quiz and get your results and really start to live it out. There’s a couple videos. If you put in your email address after you take the quiz, you get sent a couple videos to just start learning and unpacking more about who you are.

James Kademan [00:08:17]:
All right, and what are some examples of someone’s uniqueness?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:08:20]:
So I have. So I personally am what’s called an exhorter server. So it’s an exhorter. Exhorter server. So it’s a two word combination. The first word is your why? Why do I do what I do? What’s the impact I’m looking to have on others and on the world around me? And for me, that’s an exhorter. An exhorter is someone who wants to encourage you forward, encourage you towards the future. So I have really big feelings.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:08:46]:
I feel things really big, really high, really low. And one way that you could connect with me and I would feel really settled was if you were to mirror my emotion. If I’m really mad, you would be really mad with me. If I’m really jacked, you’d be really jacked with me. And that helps me feel settled and feel seen and energized. And then how I go about helping people feel. What I feel is the server piece is my how. It’s how I go about achieving my why.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:09:17]:
For me, a server is someone who adjusts to all the seven intangible drivers based on the need. So I’m very motivated by needs. If you were to say, hey, Molly, I need some help moving some things around in the studio, I need to do this, I would be jacked. I would be excited. I would be uniquely energized to, to help fill those needs because it’s helping you move forward. So that would be how I could uniquely self motivate. That could be how I could step into energizing myself towards something. So whenever I’m feeling drained, one thing that I look for is what’s a need that I can feel for someone else.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:09:51]:
What’s a need that I can feel to help move someone else forward? My energy tank fills. I get jacked. I’m ready to go.

James Kademan [00:09:59]:
So you’re feeling drained. Someone’s like, molly, help me move a couch. You’re like, yeah, I’m all fixed.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:10:04]:
Let’s go.

James Kademan [00:10:05]:
Oh, interesting. Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:10:07]:
And there’s different things, you know, if I’m feeling unsettled or uneasy or I am feeling, like, mentally and emotionally depressed, there’s different things. That would be a different approach. I’d be looking at what are the depressors in that situation most of the time. That would be a contradiction. That’s where a lot of people. The root cause of a lot of depression comes from contradictions. So a key is holding someone to a different standard than you’re holding yourself fair.

James Kademan [00:10:34]:
That internal civil war.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:10:35]:
Oh, man. A great example of this is expecting my kids to load the dishwasher, and I get upset with them when they don’t, but yet I justify when I don’t load the dishwasher. That would be a contradiction. I’m holding them to a different level than I hold myself. And I could feel a little tick. And if it’s in a small area, it might not depress me a lot, but if it’s in a big area, I’m gonna really feel that.

James Kademan [00:10:58]:
All right. All right. So where. My wife knows how to open the garage door, but I feel like she doesn’t know how to shut the garage door. And every time I come home and the garage door is open, I get frustrated. But there are times when I can’t think of many. But for the sake of the example, let’s just say I don’t shut the garage door one time.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:11:21]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:11:21]:
Then I’m like, oh, I don’t want to be hypocritical, so I can’t be upset at her. Is that fair?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:11:26]:
Yeah, absolutely. So it gives you. Allows you to have more mercy for her. 1. If you’re gonna still be raging out at her internally, maybe not externally, literally towards her, but internally inside your yourself. That would give you a little bit more of that mercy where it’s like, do I? I don’t always do it. So I either need to give her mercy or I need to make sure I close it every time.

James Kademan [00:11:50]:
What if I do close it every time?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:11:51]:
Every single time. Then that would be more of a.

James Kademan [00:11:54]:
It’s just like a light switch right in the room, on out.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:11:57]:
See, the thing is about women. I better take notes from the neuroscience background and perspective. Women from A brain perspective we can have up to. Why don’t you take a wild guess? How many thoughts do you think a woman can have at any time?

James Kademan [00:12:16]:
At any time, in a healthy way? For comparison’s sake, can you tell me what the base is for men?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:12:26]:
One.

James Kademan [00:12:27]:
Okay, let’s give a multiplier of 10.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:12:31]:
Nice. I love that.

James Kademan [00:12:33]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:12:33]:
Women can have up to 5 thoughts at any time and be in a healthy place.

James Kademan [00:12:38]:
Wow.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:12:39]:
So chances are that your wife is thinking about the kid, you know, your son, thinking about probably what she has to make for dinner that night, the meeting that she’s on her way to the grocery list and backing the car out of the garage without hitting anything. All right, so chances are she’s already there. So adding one more thought, her brain is just gonna either dismiss it or overwhelm her in that place. So she might remember when she’s a mile down the road, because now she’s not backing out of the driveway and there’s room for another thought to come. Come onto the field, onto the court, if you will.

James Kademan [00:13:11]:
Interesting. So is that why women can have a conversation but still hear another conversation?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:13:15]:
Yeah, it’s fascinating. I’ve seen it.

James Kademan [00:13:17]:
It is extremely fascinating.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:13:18]:
A keynote. I was at one time had two different individuals, actually, I think it was three people come on stage and start describing what they had for lunch in detail to each other, all talking at the same time. And each one of the women was able to tell you exactly what the other person said and what. What both of the other people said. And then she had a guy come on stage and do the same thing, and he was just so overwhelmed, he couldn’t. He had to lean in on one, and that was all that he was able to take away.

James Kademan [00:13:50]:
Yeah.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:13:50]:
So women have these. These super power brains, but the challenge is, is that just because we can have up to five thoughts, we will never flow at five thoughts. Oh, so that’s one of the challenges that I work with women on. Just because you can doesn’t mean it’s in your best interest. Doesn’t mean that you’re going to experience healthy happiness in that place. Constantly on the verge of being overwhelmed. Because as soon as you introduce that six thought, she’s overwhelmed, and that’s where she has a breakdown or loses a cool or tears might come, that’s a red flag for feeling overwhelmed. Too many thoughts.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:14:25]:
What can you, as a husband or a spouse do to take thoughts off the table?

James Kademan [00:14:29]:
All right, interesting. So in my business with the call answering service, the word overwhelm came up A lot. Not so much now. I feel like we have a better crew, but we answer phones for veterinary clinics. And the word overwhelm, I feel like is used every third word where people. And that’s. I didn’t know this when we got into that vertical, but that is a female dominated industry. I had no idea.

James Kademan [00:14:54]:
I guess I didn’t even think about what it would be. Dominated. I was just like, there’s pets. Pets don’t care about recessions. Let’s jump into that vertical. But I’m learning that word overwhelm and female dominated is very interesting. I had an employee tell me, I guess I’m beboping here, but I had an employee tell me that she cries every night. And for me I’m like, what? That’s not.

James Kademan [00:15:15]:
No, that ain’t right. And she’s like, no, it helps me feel good. And to me I’m like, what? No, no, no, no, that’s. That can’t be good. But it sounds like maybe.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:15:27]:
So that’s a way that her body’s releasing some of that. That pent up tension within her. It’s coming out in that way. So a great thing that she could imp. And this is something that I work when I coach women, is to find someone that you can get everything that you’re thinking and feeling out with every day, if possible. And now every day can be a little bit much if, you know, based on our schedules and our availability. So you’re really shooting for every 48 to 72 hours to have like a full mental dump, if you will. Like just dump it all out.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:16:04]:
Get it all out, everything you’re thinking and you’re feeling. And what that does is there’s a part of the brain and is our unconscious brain. And it’s the 90% of our brain, which is where our energy lies, which is where our attraction lies. There’s so many things, our behavior lies. All of these things live in the unconscious brain, but it doesn’t know what you’re thinking and feeling until you say it or write it.

James Kademan [00:16:31]:
Okay, so that’s where journaling comes in.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:16:33]:
That’s where journaling comes in. The thing that’s so in that situation, it would be a good best practice for everybody. Hour or two for her to keep maybe a Google Doc or some sort of journal where she could just dump out what she’s thinking and feeling and be able to get back in the zone. Because chances are she’s taking on a lot of pain. We want to talk about uniqueness. Chances are she’s Taking on a lot of pain from these pet owners or from these other individuals. And she doesn’t have a way of releasing that pain in a healthy way because she probably thinks she’s causing pain to other people when she shares. So she keeps it inside.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:17:08]:
She holds it inside, and it comes out as tears when she’s alone by herself and calming down. So she would be someone who would really benefit from being able to share and to process what she’s thinking and feeling to stay in a healthy thought spot. So women generally want to keep us in that two to three thoughts as we go throughout our days. Obviously, if we can get closer to one, the better chances we have to be able to flow the. But that’s where we’re going to at least prevent the overwhelm. And then we can add an extra thought or two without it pushing us over the cliff.

James Kademan [00:17:39]:
So tell me why, if guys can have one thought, women can have up to five. How come guys aren’t crying when they have all of a sudden a second thought comes up or something like that?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:17:50]:
Yeah, so it’s the way that the brain is wired a little bit differently in that regard. So chances are you might just start glitching a little bit. This is something I see with my husband, so I’m not projecting this on you. I’ talk about my dear, amazing husband. We were working on an issue that came up with one of our businesses this morning, and we’re working through one of the challenges. And he’s leaving for work. He’s got to drive to Milwaukee today for work. I’m driving to Sun Prairie, and we live in Oshkosh, and so we’re bouncing all over.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:18:22]:
We have four kids. We’re trying to get them all sorted. Something comes up with our business, and he’s also trying to navigate a challenge. He’s a life coach as well, and one of his clients is working through something. So. So how many thoughts? I mean, that’s so many thoughts right there. So what he has to do is he has to shut them down and he just has to focus on the one. But the minute he tries to start doing two or three, he gets like, it’s.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:18:45]:
I literally call it glitchy, where it’s like, he starts, like, I don’t know what to go towards. I don’t know what to think. And it really does overwhelm. But it comes out differently for him, and it might for you as well. But that’s where the glitch is. Like, okay, Brett, we’re going to talk about this one thing, we’re going to talk about everything else, we’re going to do it in order, and we’re only going to talk about this. Let’s get the kids going on breakfast. Let’s get their schedules going.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:19:10]:
They’re good to go. Let’s make sure your client’s good to go. He’s not waiting on a call from you. And then we’re going to address this one issue. This is where I go into project management mode, though. We’re going to flip off the switches on everything, and this one area is the only thing that we’re going to focus on, and we’re going to see it to completion, or at least until the next step, and then that one goes off and we go to the next one. But trying to move and move everything forward is not gonna work. So this is a strategy I work with executives on.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:19:39]:
I’m not sure if you’re familiar with urgent and important matrix at all, but essentially, when things are in the urgent and important quadrant, that’s burnout. If our brain stays in that space for too long, we’re in our conscious brain, it’s only 10% of our brain, and we’re gonna burn out four fast because it fatigues. It’s not meant to stay in that space for a long period. So what we have to do is remove the urgency and just take care of one fire at a time. And the other ones might grow a little bit, but if you see the one fire to completion, then you only have four fires. Then you only have three fires, then you only have two. And that’s a really great strategy when things are feeling like on that verge of overwhelm.

James Kademan [00:20:19]:
That’s fair, I find. I guess I am similar to your husband in that way. We got 50 million things going on. You try to focus on all. You can’t.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:20:27]:
Yep.

James Kademan [00:20:27]:
Everything’s blurry then. So I end up writing down, what are the things that you have to do or I have to do? And it’s weird because when I write them down, I look at them, I’m like, oh, that’s not that big of a deal. And I think this will take five minutes, that’s 20 minutes. This is two hours, whatever. And you break it down and you’re like, oh, I got three and a half hours worth of stuff to do in this order.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:20:48]:
And that’s what leads to anxiety, though, is that when you don’t write it down, 20 things not written down feels like a million. But if you can write it down, that’s when you can begin to build a plan around it, but otherwise, you just are feeling this frantic energy, and you’re not closing a loop on anything. So using lists is an incredible strategy. Oh, my gosh, look at you crushing it.

James Kademan [00:21:10]:
I think I’m the last person on earth to use these little yellow notebook things.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:21:14]:
Oh, no, you’re not. Okay, we have those floating around our house. Thank goodness for my mortgage lending days. That’s, like, all that we use.

James Kademan [00:21:20]:
Okay, nice. It’s constant.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:21:22]:
Oh, my gosh. Absolutely.

James Kademan [00:21:24]:
When I have one of those in front of me at the desk, I’m always like, oh. Or you end up with scraps of paper, then you’re lost.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:21:28]:
Yep. Post it notes everywhere and start falling off.

James Kademan [00:21:32]:
No good. No. It’s so funny because I save those things and I don’t have any good reason why until I look back from them. And it’s almost like a journal because you can kind of like. Even though it’s not. Well, a lot of it’s not even legible, but it kind of gives you an idea of where you were at.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:21:48]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:21:49]:
Where’s the headspace? What were you working on? Oh, yeah, this client had that fire. Blah, blah, blah. It’s kind of interesting every once in a while to go back and be like, okay, you did a lot of stuff.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:21:58]:
Well, it gives you a sense of accomplishment. I could imagine, too. It’s like, yeah, I crushed it. I look at all these things, and it’s that tangible representation of what’s going on in your head.

James Kademan [00:22:08]:
I always feel like when I die, someone’s gonna come across those notebooks and be like, what is wrong with this guy?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:22:13]:
How did he save all of this? Recycling bin is right there a notebook hoarder?

James Kademan [00:22:18]:
Yeah. There’s worse things, I suppose.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:22:20]:
Exactly.

James Kademan [00:22:21]:
Tell me, well, do you work specifically with women, or do you target that demographic? Or.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:22:28]:
Okay, so it’s an interesting situation. I think Magic wand. My ideal client is more of this, like, professional woman. I love working with women who have a lot of potential. They’re really driven, they’re really motivated, and a lot of times they’re moms, too. So it kind of ends up being this executive mom. But I won an Instagram challenge at one point, and I got five consulting conversations with an Instagram specialist. And when I was discussing my niche with him, he’s like, I’ve got to take my Instagram hat off.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:22:59]:
And I need to just tell you this. I’m a single dad. I need this information. So if you’re only going towards women, I would have missed this, and I need this, and I want this. So that’s when I opened it up to be a little bit broader. And I say the professional parent now. But I do think that there is something really unique and really beautiful about the way the woman’s brain works. And I love helping them really get in control of that and really figure out how we can be excellent and really use our brain to its maximum potential without burning it out, without wearing it out, without, you know, hurting ourselves and those around us.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:23:39]:
How can we actually tap into the potential of the wiring of our brain and the neuroscience behind it? So I do say, I would say that the executive woman is. Is much more my passion, if you will.

James Kademan [00:23:52]:
That’s fair. Yeah, that’s fair. I feel like some guys may not admit that they need help, and I feel like some women. Well, there’s probably some women that wouldn’t admit that either.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:02]:
Right. I think asking for help is inherently a difficult thing. It is, yeah.

James Kademan [00:24:07]:
It’s challenging. It’s very challenging. I can tell for myself. I used to do business coaching way back when, and it’s one of those things where I would have a hard time asking for help.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:17]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:24:20]:
Even I guess there would reach a threshold.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:22]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:24:22]:
Where you’re like, okay, I’m drowning here. And I know that there’s somebody smarter than me that could help give me some guidance.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:29]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:24:30]:
Sometimes just a boot to the butt to get you going kind of thing. But tell me about the presentations you do. You said you’re a keynote speaker.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:37]:
I am. Yeah.

James Kademan [00:24:38]:
Tell me about that.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:24:39]:
So I have recently started sharing more of my story. I have a unique background where I’ve been an executive for quite a long time and been in the professional corporate space for a very long time. But I had a really pretty devastating season of life where I went through an identity crisis. And I lost the thing that I thought was my identity, which I was a marathon runner at the time.

James Kademan [00:25:05]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:25:06]:
And I lost my running. And I. As a result of going through this identity crisis, I. I found the company that I’m now certified, and it helped me determine who I am intrinsically, helped me start working through my triggers, my mental health issues, my anxiety, my burnout, depression. And as I started getting a hold of my thought process, and then I was starting to help my boys at home, and I saw the huge impact it was having in our house. That was when I knew I needed to become a coach.

James Kademan [00:25:39]:
And.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:25:39]:
And so I went and I became certified to teach the information. So through my speaking, I share about my breaking journey and essentially how I went from being this executive woman who thought I was crushing life to someone who had to really face this mask that I had curated to show the world and it wasn’t who I truly was. Yes, I was a professional. Yes. And I was executive, and I was good at those things. And that has not changed. But. But I wasn’t doing it from a place of authenticity.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:26:08]:
I was really struggling with imposter syndrome, really struggling with lack of confidence and trying to be who I thought everyone needed and wanted me to be and not being true to who I was. And that was hurting a lot of people around me because I came off as very inauthentic, and I didn’t have the tools or resources to communicate in a healthy way. So, talking about contradictions, I’m judging people for how they’re communicating with me, yet I am basically abusing people with how I communicate. Because now I know how the mind and brain works if we’re not. The brain doesn’t have a zero state. It’s either getting healthier or it’s getting unhealthier with every interaction. Exactly. So there’s no neutral state.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:26:48]:
So if we use that as our standard, and I’m certainly not helping anyone, it could be classified as abuse. And so I had to start rewiring my brain and relearning how to communicate and how to work with these tools and resources. So I share my story on stage, and then I help the individuals in the audience. My keynotes are a little bit more interactive than a traditional keynote, where we just stand and deliver. I bring worksheets. I have them take the intangible driver quiz. I help them determine who they are intrinsically, their uniqueness, help them start to figure out how to put that into practice and use it at their table. And it’s done through my story, and it’s done through my lens.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:27:33]:
But then I share stories about my husband and my children, clients that I coach. So I have that one where I focus on mental wellness through leading through your uniqueness. I have one that focuses on conquering our triggers and overcoming depression, and I have one on communication transformation. So really focusing on tools and resources that you can use to intentionally help you know, if this interaction is healthy or not. Am I using health communication? Are you using the healthy communication? Are we profitable in our interactions? Because we are. So I introduce a lot of different tools that help people be intentional and to know that they’re in a healthy space and they’re helping facilitate the mental health of others with how they interact.

James Kademan [00:28:18]:
All right. I want to dig into something, if you don’t mind. Safe place here.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:28:21]:
Let’s do it.

James Kademan [00:28:22]:
So I have met, like, just through networking and stuff like that, you just meet people in business all the time. And I have found some people that I feel like they have this wall or they’re trying to be something that you can just tell that they’re not.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:28:36]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:28:37]:
And I’m going to sound sexist here. I don’t mean to, but I see that more with women than I do with men. I certainly see it with some men as well, usually newer business owners, stuff like that, where they’re trying to put the front on. But there are some very successful women that I know you could even look politically, that you can just tell that they’re trying to fake something. That I felt like if they were more authentic or even arguably more feminine, they could probably rule the world. Really. But they’re not. And they have this.

James Kademan [00:29:09]:
It reminds me of, like, the Devil Wears Prada kind of thing.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:29:11]:
Sure.

James Kademan [00:29:11]:
Where that’s just like, very on top of the world woman, but nobody wants to be anywhere near her because they’re afraid that she’s just gonna kill them. Really?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:29:19]:
Sure.

James Kademan [00:29:19]:
So have you seen that? Or. It sounds like you work with people in that realm or maybe even you were.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:29:24]:
I was. I was. And I do work with women in that space.

James Kademan [00:29:27]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:29:28]:
The thing that I see with this, and I’m sure there’s more to it. I do believe there’s more to it. But one of the big things is this self esteem.

James Kademan [00:29:35]:
Ah.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:29:36]:
Confidence in your uniqueness. Confidence in your unique value. And when we don’t know our uniqueness and we don’t know our value, how can we be confident in it? So then we start trying to be confident in our skills, we start to be confident in our accomplishments. We start to be confident in all of these external things, hoping that all these external awards, degrees, accolades, will help me intrinsically feel confident. And it doesn’t. That’s the mask that I wore, and that was part of my breaking process, was realizing when I lost running, which was my biggest crutch, if you will. The thing that I felt most confident in, I realized, and I had to start facing that I was inauthentic in every area of my life.

James Kademan [00:30:23]:
Every.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:30:23]:
I would say so.

James Kademan [00:30:25]:
Wow.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:30:25]:
I felt like a failure with mothering, with a. Being a parent. I always thought there should be an owner’s manual, and I was always mad that there wasn’t. And now that I know this information, I’m like, this is Definitely the closest thing there’s ever going to be to an owner’s manual. But yeah, working through, you know, in business, just having to show up physically a certain way, be certain, a certain level of polished and professionalism and there’s just higher expectations of a woman in the business space that she show up and look and speak and act a certain way to be worthy to be in the room. Oh, to be worthy, to be listened to, to be worthy to be accepted in that space and to be credible and. And so that is a lot of ways that’s an unconscious thing in business among the genders, okay. However, women really own that and they kind of double down on that, especially when they have the skills and they know they’ve earned the way to be in the room.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:31:25]:
Instead of leaning on that knowledge and knowing that they’re empowered to be in that space. There is a lot of the extra expectations that they put on themselves and really learning themselves and dissolving that imposter syndrome from building up that self esteem is really what I find to be the, the thing that frees women from that, that mental bondage, if you will. I’m working with a woman right now. She’s a VP and she is up to be the CEO of her organization. She’s absolutely incredible. Her uniqueness is something called server. Server. So she fills needs in order to fill the needs because there’s seven intangible drivers and you put seven and seven together, she can be 49 different versions of herself.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:32:12]:
So she is crushing the needs everywhere. But the thing she struggled with was to know, like who is she in the Midst of these 49 different versions of herself? How does she show up to truly be authentic and to show up in that space? So we have spent the past six months really one on one coaching she. I met her from a keynote speaking conversation. It was on uniqueness and mental health. And she came up to me and we started coaching the week after. And she has experienced a complete transformation. Showing up knowing that she has value, knowing that her experience matters, knowing that if someone doubts her, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have value. That’s the issue with low self esteem or no self esteem is that when someone criticizes us, we believe it.

James Kademan [00:33:02]:
Ah, okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:33:04]:
When someone tells us we’re amazing, we believe it. That’s the issue is that we don’t have an inherent knowledge and belief and confidence in that uniqueness outside of what other people believe and project on us. So that’s that building of up of that internal strength is that Self esteem is knowing who I am, living that out and being confident in that. That’s how you build self esteem. And her self esteem has skyrocketed and it’s completely transformed her marriage, her role as a mother, her role in this organization. We’ll see if I’m right on this, but I feel pretty confident that she’s going to be the number one selection for this role because she has just gone through a complete transformation of growing in her confidence and she knows her voice matters and if people don’t value that, she feels bad for them.

James Kademan [00:33:52]:
Fair. Oh, it’s a great place to be in.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:33:54]:
That’s the measure of high self esteem. When you compliment me, do I feel good about myself or do I feel good about you? Because you recognize the value that I know to be true within me.

James Kademan [00:34:06]:
Fair.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:07]:
That’s that measure of high self esteem and that’s where she’s at. So it doesn’t matter if people are criticizing her or you know, that. That negative criticism anymore because she knows her value.

James Kademan [00:34:18]:
Yeah, that is cool. Knowing your value is huge.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:20]:
Huge.

James Kademan [00:34:21]:
And you don’t need that external someone to validate you.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:24]:
Exactly. Or all the words or accolades or.

James Kademan [00:34:26]:
Yeah.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:27]:
Degrees.

James Kademan [00:34:28]:
Yeah, that’s.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:29]:
That. That doesn’t make you more valuable.

James Kademan [00:34:31]:
Interesting. That’s cool. That’s impressive. Tell me a story about you as far as the trigger for when you realize that you needed a shift or you realized like, hey, something ain’t right here. Was there a moment where you just looked in the mirror and said, what’s up here? Or what happened?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:49]:
The trigger for me. What’s what?

James Kademan [00:34:51]:
For you to make the switch.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:53]:
From what?

James Kademan [00:34:53]:
From not being authentic.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:34:55]:
Oh. Oh, gosh. So this is a story I first shared in April. So this is April this year. April of this year. Fresh. Fresh off the press. So I was at the peak of my career.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:35:11]:
I was in a really great spot, professionally. Beautiful little boys, you know, olive skin, brown eyes, little sandy hair. Just such handsome, sweet boys. And I had the biggest house. I was running marathons. All of the external things that I thought would make me feel good about myself and I had this beautifully curated mask. Like I said, the issue for me was I was out on a run one day and I was training for a marathon and I was running on a trail near my house. It was 20 mile run.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:35:43]:
So. All right, yeah, those of us who aren’t, I’m not a runner anymore. So that sounds absurd to me now, but no, I’m a runner, but not a mile runner. Back then that was, yeah, normal for me. So I was on a trail. I was going to run 10 miles out and 10 miles back in and mile seven, I. It’s a lot of things that happened, but basically my nervous system started shutting down and I passed out on the path. Now this is a wooded area.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:36:10]:
This is not, I wouldn’t say it’s unsafe, but it’s secluded. It’s very much in the middle of the country, middle of nowhere. And you pass people very infrequently. It’s where people will take their dog for a few mile walk or they burn off steam on a bike trail after work. So I am alone in this space, in a very vulnerable position. And when I stood up and I got back to safety, I had to start facing the fact that I was probably losing something that I very much cared about. And it was about a year journey of me losing running. I went through a lot of other health issues related to it.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:36:49]:
My body broke out in these full body spots, if you will. And I just found pictures the other day of every. It was not more than an inch of space on my skin from my neck to my toes where I didn’t have spots. And like what was going on is I’m in the middle of this really difficult divorce. I’m in this corporate space, I’m maintaining this mask constantly. And when I would push myself physically and run, it was pushing my body beyond its physical limit. It was beyond its, its capacity. And so it started shutting down.

James Kademan [00:37:25]:
And so that was a symptom, not a cause.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:37:28]:
Exactly. Yeah. That was the effect of what was going on internally, which was really this extreme stress that my body was under and it came out and running. And so on the professional side of things though, I had just taken over a team and a department at the organization I was working on. I was at a global software company. I was ready to level everything up and I was exploring all of my options. Different companies that I could possibly partner with to bring in different training and resources. When I found flosis.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:37:58]:
And so I had started coaching because I wanted to go through it myself to really kind of test it out, to see because I’m already certified to teach these, you know, these different insights, discovery, these so360 feedback and personality tests and all these different things. So I’m already certified to teach and train that information. So I really wanted to know, is this one different? Because I had. What I had found so far was not. And it was, it was not turning the needle. Yeah, it wasn’t. Wasn’t moving the needle. So as I was going through it.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:38:32]:
I started experiencing some pretty profound transformation in my life. It started putting words to feelings that I had about who I am and who I was intrinsically from as early as I can remember, and started realizing why I felt so frustrated in certain situations, why I felt so misunderstood in certain situations, why I felt so empowered, so excited, so energized. And so it really started helping me work through these different challenges around my uniqueness in this imposter syndrome and self esteem. Then I started going through the mental health piece of it, started getting down and figuring out these triggers. Why do I want to just rage out when I feel disrespected? Why do I just want to rage out when someone tells me to take it down a notch? When someone tells me I’m too much? Why do I just. I started really getting down to the root of these mental and emotional triggers where my brain has a lot of trauma or damage. So I really started unpacking a lot of these different issues and healing and dissolving these areas in my life. And as I started going through this transformation, I started bringing it home.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:39:40]:
And my boys were not in a good spot mentally and emotionally either. Because, let’s face it, our kids, in a lot of ways reflect what they see. They reflect what they’re taught firsthand. It’s an unconscious way of. Of helping people. You’re teaching them. And so my children were, in a lot of ways, reflecting what I. How I showed up at home and I showed up towards them.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:40:05]:
So they were yelling and they were angry and they were not happy and not healthy.

James Kademan [00:40:11]:
Cycle.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:40:12]:
Exactly.

James Kademan [00:40:12]:
Then you get more frustrated.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:40:14]:
Exactly. And as the parent, as the leader, I’m the one who should be stopping the cycle. I need to be the one to own that and to change and then to help facilitate their change. So it begins with me, begins with all of us as the parent. As I began healing, I was able to start helping them. And that was the big change. You know, I remember vividly sitting at my desk one day and I got a call from the principal from my son’s school, and he was in second grade. He had beat up a.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:40:44]:
Not beat up, but he was involved with kind of attacking a fifth grader on the playground.

James Kademan [00:40:51]:
And.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:40:52]:
And the kids, they were second grade, they didn’t know what they were doing, but they were a part of a gang, you know, and. And the Scorpions or something like that. And I remember vividly going through and having this deep shame and this internal sense of, like, horror, like, how could this happen? How could my son be this bully and hurt someone else like this? And as we started working through this, I started having to face the fact that bullying as a taught behavior, it’s a learned behavior. And where were they learning that? Me, oh, I was a bully. And as I started getting to the root of these issues that caused me to go into this bullying state, and where did I learn bullying and all of that, and really healing my pain and baggage and damage, I was able to start helping them do the same. And now I’m happy to report both my 15 and 13 year old are leaders in their school, and they have been for years. And it’s been a beautiful thing to see the transformation. Just got an email from my son, he’ll be going into eighth grade, that he’s been acknowledged and recognized as a leader in the school, and they want him on this leadership team.

James Kademan [00:42:04]:
Oh, that’s cool.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:42:05]:
It’s amazing. And so it’s like being able to help facilitate that for my family has been the biggest, biggest blessing.

James Kademan [00:42:13]:
It’s all saying that your. Your kid got in a fight, right?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:42:16]:
Right. Yeah. But it’s. It’s really cool because as a parent, I think we want nothing more than to help set up our kids for success. We want nothing more than to see them living their best life.

James Kademan [00:42:25]:
That’s our job.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:42:26]:
But it’s a really hard thing to acknowledge that if. If they’re not set up for success, how much of a role did I play in that?

James Kademan [00:42:33]:
Right.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:42:33]:
And did I take the time to get healthy, to be able to truly facilitate them into the best version of themselves? Because I’m firm believer it begins with us as parents, and we have to. The journey begins with us, and that’s where the healing of a family begins. So the turning point was losing my running to all of that.

James Kademan [00:42:52]:
Tell me a story about that, because it sounds like that was an effect, not a cause.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:42:56]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:42:57]:
So could you go back to running now?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:43:01]:
I probably could.

James Kademan [00:43:02]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:43:02]:
But I think what, in hindsight, exercise was very much a lot of my life.

James Kademan [00:43:09]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:43:10]:
And I think it’s because I would flow when I exercised.

James Kademan [00:43:16]:
I totally get that.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:43:17]:
Got down to one thought and nothing else mattered. I shut off mom mode. I shut off work mode. I shut off girlfriend, wife, partner, friend, daughter. Shut it all off. And it was just this. Me in the next rep, me in the next rep. And I was very passionate about exercise.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:43:35]:
Before I actually became a Flosis certified trainer. I was looking at becoming a personal trainer because I had such a positive emotion to exercising. But I realized after I worked through that. It was just because I wanted to help people. And it’s like, well, I can help them physically as a personal trainer or I can help them mentally, emotionally, and for some people, spiritually as an executive coach and as the speaker. So that’s the route that I chose as I decided I want to have a, like a long lasting impact on someone’s mental and emotional state. Someone else can help them with their personal training. I want to be a part of this piece over here.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:44:12]:
But that was the big thing for me was, yeah, I think I could run again because I know how to flow now. I can flow in any situation because I know my unique process for it. So I could absolutely go back to it. I’m just not sure that I want to. I’m.

James Kademan [00:44:28]:
That’s fair.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:44:29]:
As a woman in my 40s, I weightlift and I walk and I. I’m more focused on what are those benefits? Long term benefits versus the aesthetic of being skinny or, you know, super lean. That was very much my vibe. Again, going back to the self esteem thing, I put a lot of value in how I looked physically and externally. Now I know that’s not my value. I want to be healthy, so I focus on my nutrition, I focus on weightlifting and walking and I just look to add value in other areas of my life. Those are. The exercise is just a hurdle now.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:04]:
That’s not where I’m putting my energy. Those aren’t the drivers. For me. The drivers are the mental, emotional and spiritual side.

James Kademan [00:45:11]:
Gotcha. Fair. I can I guess from a person that works out to a person that works out.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:16]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:45:16]:
I love. Oh my gosh. When you’re in the gym and you’re lifting.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:19]:
Feel so good.

James Kademan [00:45:20]:
Yeah. Nothing. I guess I remember thinking, like, if all the businesses fail and everything just goes to hell, whatever. As long as I have a few weights, I’m good.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:33]:
I could get through anything.

James Kademan [00:45:35]:
I’m good. Or a pair of running shoes. Like, I run, not marathons. I did a half marathon one time and I thought I was gonna die.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:42]:
Yeah, it’s intense.

James Kademan [00:45:43]:
I didn’t train, So I thought, 13 miles. I’m just taking a couple miles, multiplying it. That was not the route to go.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:45:50]:
Hey, I have known more than one person that’s done that. So you’re not alone.

James Kademan [00:45:54]:
Oh, my gosh. That was so dumb. It was so dumb. But it was also one of those things where you’re like training. I can run, but just the time. Like 20 miles. That’s not a five minute run.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:05]:
Nope. You’re talking commitment.

James Kademan [00:46:07]:
That’s a couple three hours.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:10]:
Three hours depends on how fast you run. I’m not a fast.

James Kademan [00:46:12]:
Let’s just call it three hours. That’s three hours. And that’s one run. You can do that a few times a week. That’s a part time job, man.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:18]:
Yep. And I was. There was a season of time where I was running a half marathon every single weekend. Yeah. Whether it be at a race or on my own. Just literally put in 3.1 and go. I would figure out these routes. I would write them on my hand and I would hold my water and have it in my little gel pack and just go left on this road.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:38]:
Right on this road.

James Kademan [00:46:39]:
All right. Yeah. I guess to me running is meditative. I don’t even listen to music or anything.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:44]:
Oh, wow.

James Kademan [00:46:45]:
Get in the zone. I have a old dog now. When she was a young dog, I had to keep up with her. So she was motivation, I guess.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:46:53]:
That’s awesome.

James Kademan [00:46:54]:
Yeah, she’s super cool. But now I have to go on a short run with her and then bring her home, give her a treat, and then I gotta go on a long run.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:01]:
Then you get to finish.

James Kademan [00:47:02]:
Yeah.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:02]:
Refresh yourself. Get your drink of water.

James Kademan [00:47:04]:
Yeah. But it’s cool because you get. I don’t know, it’s neat, I suppose, with working out of any kind or even being in the zone of any kind. You think back like, where was I that last 10 minutes?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:13]:
Yep.

James Kademan [00:47:14]:
And you weren’t. You weren’t consciously thinking about it. You were just doing it.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:18]:
That’s flow. Flow is when you’re down to that one thought and your confidence in the right spot. Your challenge is in the right spot. Your focus in the right spot. And you’re able to lock in uniquely for yourself and you can go. And people’s best experiences, their best memories. Most of the time, I’d venture to say they were flowing.

James Kademan [00:47:38]:
All right.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:38]:
And so it’s like you have these great experiences flowing. We know the benefits of flow. You even mentioned the book about flow. But no one knows how to do it intentionally. How awesome would it be if you could have that mental and emotional euphoric experience in anything you choose to have it in? Not just with running, not just with working out.

James Kademan [00:47:57]:
To be able to flip a switch. Be like, I want to be in flow.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:47:59]:
Ready? We’re going to go.

James Kademan [00:48:01]:
That would be.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:48:01]:
Live a flow life.

James Kademan [00:48:02]:
Yeah. Is that a thing?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:48:03]:
It is a thing.

James Kademan [00:48:04]:
It is. Tell me more. Tell me more. You have me intrigued.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:48:08]:
Oh, it’s fascinating. So this is Something that we focus on. I joke. My husband’s a flow guy. He’s just. He is very intuitive. He very much flows because, again, he knows his process for how to do that uniquely, and he just steps into it really naturally. I’m a little bit more conscious brain, so I tend to be a little bit more intense.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:48:32]:
And therefore I tend to try to max out my brain, my five thoughts. I tend to hang out in that three to four to five thought range all the time, running multiple businesses. I’ve got four kids. I manage our home. I oversee all of the details and components of that. So I very much have to very intentionally get down to one thought to then get my confidence in the right spot and my challenge and my focus to flow. But, yeah, I mean, I was just writing a speech last week that I delivered over the weekend, and. And one of the issues I was having about writing it was that my confidence wasn’t in the right spot with it.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:49:11]:
And once I got my confidence in the right spot, I realized, oh, my focus isn’t in the right spot. And so I got that in the right spot. And then challenge was already locked in. Because I have enough experience with this. It wasn’t too big, wasn’t too small. I was able to lock in. And I wrote this speech in like, a day and a half. After dealing and, like, looping on it for weeks, I was able to lock in, get the vision I needed, and step into it.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:49:35]:
But that’s part of the process of knowing myself, because I know myself. I know my uniqueness. I have a personal vision statement where I know how I uniquely add value to the world. What do I need to come towards me from other people or the circumstances? What’s the effect I want to have and how do I bring that? Because of this model that I utilize and Flosis has, I am able to step into that intentionally. If I know I’m missing a piece, I can go seek that out. I share that with my husband. I’m really struggling. I need this missing piece.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:50:07]:
I need someone to collaborate with. I need vision. I need whatever. Instead of me just fumbling and struggling forever on it, he can either provide that for me or point me to someone. I have two mentors. I am a mentor to multiple people. I have really close friendships with other people, and I know the value they give me, and I know the value I give them. So I can reach out and just say, hey, Heather.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:50:29]:
Hey, Laura. Hey, John. I need some help. Can you walk me through this? Can you walk through this situation with me? And without fail, they’re able to do that. My husband’s best friend is Rob and I without fail, will run my talks through Rob. He’s small picture, I’m someone who’s bigger picture. So he helps me get in the details where I’m struggling. He’s really good at isolating out the issue.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:50:51]:
Like you were saying, what’s the cause, what’s the root issue here? He helps me figure out the issue that’s holding me back, gives me clarity, gives me vision. I go and it’s like, so when I’m struggling to make progress on stuff, I’ve got my team and I reach out and I ask for help. Like we’re talking about. It’s hard, but now I know I’m better. It’s a we, not me mentality. It’s like if I think I have to do this on my own, it’s only ever going to be here, you know, to this level. At best. I want things to be awesome and they can be awesome.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:51:23]:
When it’s we, not me. When I lean into the strengths of other people and I collaborate and I see it as a system project versus just a Molly project and I bring in the strengths of others to make it awesome, fair.

James Kademan [00:51:37]:
I love that saying I want things to be awesome. That is not too much to ask. Molly, I love that. Tell me, you said you shifted your confidence. So how, what is the, what is the trigger to know your confidence is low and then what do you do to bump your confidence up?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:51:52]:
Well, there’s three different levels of self esteem. There’s no self esteem, low, mid and high. There’s ways of measuring it. The one of the ways that I like to measure is how do people handle tension. So if you have no self esteem and you experience tension, do you actually look to create tension in others? Almost like a destructive approach or thought process? If tension comes towards you, the low self esteem approach would be to avoid it. Like the head in the sand ostrich.

James Kademan [00:52:25]:
Ignore it, it’ll go away.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:52:26]:
Like it’s just gonna go away if I don’t think about it. Right? Denial. The next level would be like the no pain, no gain. Like I’m just gonna muscle through this thing and we’re just gonna crush this tension and then it’s gonna be my ties after that. You know, we’re just gonna all release all play. Well, the best approach would be or the healthiest or high self esteem would be how can I actually let more of my uniqueness out in this situation? And like I’d Also shared earlier. Another way of measuring it is when someone compliments you or criticizes you, what’s your response? Am I looking to take them down? Am I looking to make it, you know, take down my competition, try to make my competition look bad and, you know, go that direction? Am I looking to just completely ignore them? And if I get criticized, I wallow for days and it’s so hard to get out of that. Think about Instagram or YouTube comments and if I get a negative comment, does it just crush my self esteem, crush my opinion of myself? Do I take a long time to get out of that?

James Kademan [00:53:30]:
Hope not.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:53:30]:
Oh, man. Right. You got to be open and be okay with that feedback and then, you know, or again, that mid level is you compliment me and I, I think I’m awesome. I feel great. I’m euphoric now because you think I’m awesome means I must be awesome versus that high level, again, is where you compliment me and I think you’re awesome. I think you’re great. I look up to you because you recognize the value that I know to be true in myself.

James Kademan [00:53:57]:
All right. You were cool enough to be aware of how awesome I am.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:00]:
Exactly. You got it.

James Kademan [00:54:02]:
Oh, that’s awesome. Tell me the. Well, what I want to ask you next. You’re on a personal side.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:10]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [00:54:10]:
You were. Had that mask and you were at a position. Now you’re your own boss.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:17]:
I am.

James Kademan [00:54:17]:
Are you still at that position?

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:19]:
No.

James Kademan [00:54:19]:
Or did you grow to the point where you like, peace out.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:22]:
So the company went through a massive acquisition. So there was a, I think they grew 7x and so it was a huge experience and they did some mass layoffs and I was a part of that. So it actually was kind of a cool thing.

James Kademan [00:54:36]:
Blessing in disguise.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:37]:
I get it.

James Kademan [00:54:38]:
Right.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:54:38]:
I, I, my husband and I look back on that time and I think even from the beginning, I felt great about it. I had a really good like leader at the time. She was really, she cared about me. She really saw the value that I brought the organization. She put me in a lot of opportunities and situations to grow professionally and really grow my skills, grow my ability, give me a lot of visibility within the organization. So I was able to prove, provide more value. So I have a really great emotion towards her. So that layoff in itself was actually kind of a cool experience because I had been part of some of the layoffs, like laying off other people.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:55:16]:
And I had a gut feeling it was, I was going to be a part of it. And that was, I had come to terms with It. So I was in a place where I was ready mentally, emotionally. My husband and I had a feeling it was going to happen. So when it did, it was like, okay, what. What do we do from here? I had actually started my business. The layoff was in July 2021. I’d started my business November 2020.

James Kademan [00:55:40]:
Oh, nice. You had some Runway.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:55:41]:
I already had a business going because I had people. I had a presence on LinkedIn. People were reaching out to me and contacting me to speak. So I was already speaking, I was already coaching. But I would take pto or I would do it on nights or on weekends or in the mornings or lunch so that it never interfered with my job. So when it happened, it was like, all right, go time. Now I just get to not take BTO and work ridiculous hours. Now I can be a little bit more control of my schedule.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:56:10]:
And I think what was cool about it too, is it gave me more autonomy working within that organization, is that I really had to filter the teaching. I designed, develop and implemented leadership development throughout the organization. So helping new leaders come into the organization, leveling them up as managers, helping them understand the culture, the expectations, how to lead teams, how to facilitate difficult conversations, you know, okrs, 101s, all the businessy stuff. And then I helped develop leaders in their current roles. How can we level you up within your position? How can we help level your teams up? So it’s already doing all of that within the organization, but it was through the organization’s lens and through the way they needed or wanted it to be. When it was just my business, I had a lot more autonomy. Obviously, it could be whatever I wanted it to be. And now everything I do is filtered through flosis.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:57:07]:
Flosis is. It’s 100% the game changer. It’s where people experience transformation. Try to tell me how we can be the best versions of ourselves if we don’t even know who we are. Tell me how I can try to be the best version of myself if I don’t even know why I’m depressed. How can I be the best version of myself if I trigger on a team member, if I trigger with my spouse, if I’m not in control of my own mental and emotional state, how can I truly show up and be healthy and healed in those positions and whole? So that’s really what I focus on, is how can I help facilitate the whole person? And then regardless of the context, work, volunteering, you know, home life, how can you show up and be that whole, healthy version of yourself? No matter where you show up.

James Kademan [00:57:56]:
Oh, I love it. That’s incredible. That is super cool. How I guess is the majority of what you’re doing speaking or is it one on one coaching or.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:58:05]:
So my consulting, yeah, my consulting business is really focused on. I want to start putting more time into keynote speakers speaking.

James Kademan [00:58:11]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:58:12]:
I had a coaching client one day at like 11 o’ clock and it was an incredible conversation. We had a breakthrough. She really started to see some areas that were holding her back. We gave her some great tools. She was excited to go start using them. And two hours later I was in front of a crowd of a hundred people and I was like, I’m helping facilitate that for 100 people now. So I think the keynote piece is where I really would like to spend more time just for the opportunity to help more people. That’s, that’s what I love to do.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:58:40]:
I’m building out an online course as well to help facilitate people after the conversations that we have. It’s all on uniqueness. So I want people to become masters of, of themselves. How can you know who you are and how can you know your spouse? How can you connect with your kids? I know each one of my kids uniquenesses and they know mine. I just had, we’re on the way to an event yesterday and my oldest looked at me and goes, mom, are you okay? I was like, I’m running at five thoughts, feeling a little overwhelmed. He’s like, yeah, it seems like something’s up. Do you want to get some thoughts out with me? Do you want to share or process?

James Kademan [00:59:15]:
This is a 15 year old kid.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:59:16]:
A 15 year old, wow, that’s a man moment. That is him being a man, just 100% being about me, regardless of what he gets from the interaction. And that is, you know, an opportunity for me to realize I’m not showing up as my best self. So this is where I can be a better leader and a better parent. And I know I can shift gears and be more in this moment and let go of some of those other thoughts that I’m holding onto. But this is also where I can acknowledge him and build him up to help him see that he’s being a man. He’s doing the causes and acting like a man. So I think we have some great opportunities to help facilitate our children.

Molly Hildebrandt [00:59:53]:
So I want to do that more and spend speaking and help parents and leaders lead teams where they. Everyone knows their uniqueness. Everyone’s showing up as mentally and emotionally healthy so that we can create these generative cultures. Generative teams, whether the team is at home, whether the team is at work, we can facilitate that with the right information and the right tools. And I do that with workshops too. I’ll have organizations bring me in and do like a four part workshop where we do communication transformation. We do a, a uniqueness, really uncovering and unpacking that. We do mental health, we do flow, we do all these different things and then flow.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:00:31]:
I really like to unlock that in a one on one setting.

James Kademan [01:00:33]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:00:33]:
Yeah. I reserve, I reserve flow coaching for one on one because it’s very personalized and it’s very unique to the individual. And I want to make sure that they really lock in, in their unique space so that they can maximize their own potential.

James Kademan [01:00:47]:
That is cool.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:00:48]:
Yeah, tell me.

James Kademan [01:00:49]:
So this is gonna sound like a stupid question. At least in my head it does. But from a one on one with the flow thing, how long are we talking is this? An hour, five hours? It seems like a deep thing, but on the other side it’s like, ah, it’s no big deal.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:01:02]:
So while I’m of the opinion that again, like I mentioned earlier, you can’t flow if you don’t know who you are. So we need to kind of lay some groundwork and we need to get to a spot where you’re mentally resilient.

James Kademan [01:01:14]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:01:14]:
Before we can start stepping into flow, one of the elements of flow is that you’re resilient. So we have to build up a foundation. So I actually have an executive, I call it Executive Flow Leadership Coaching program. You don’t have to be an executive to take it. You just have to be someone who is willing to put in the work to grow. And it really leans in deep and intense into all of these foundational pieces. So if you’re in a hole, we can get you out of a hole. And how do we stay out of a hole? That’s so like the whole getting resilient and maintaining your resilience.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:01:47]:
And I define resiliency as your ability to maintain your thought process regardless of what’s going on around you. If that’s circumstances or people trying to take you down, you can stand strong.

James Kademan [01:01:57]:
No glitching.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:01:58]:
No glitching. You’re able to maintain your mental health and your mental thought process.

James Kademan [01:02:02]:
All right.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:02:03]:
So that’s a required foundation to then get to flow. And that’s a 20 week coaching program.

James Kademan [01:02:08]:
20 weeks?

Molly Hildebrandt [01:02:09]:
20 weeks.

James Kademan [01:02:09]:
Oh, yeah. Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:02:10]:
It’s a full transformation. It is a full transformation and it’s customized and tailored to the individual.

James Kademan [01:02:17]:
Okay.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:02:18]:
So we work on your unique situation, what are the things that are holding you back personally, professionally? One of my favorite things that I work with individuals. I was coaching a director at this incredible community down in Florida. It’s the only community built on a coral reef. It’s a really cool thing. Yeah. Some people will refer to it as Disneyland for billionaires. And I was coaching one of the executives on that team and she came to me with the five goals that she wanted to work on for why we were coaching together. Three of them were personal.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:02:52]:
She’s like, I’ve been social stalking you. I found out you’re a marriage coach and a parent coach too. I know I hired you for executive coaching, but can you help me with my marriage and with my kids? I was like, absolutely, let’s do it. Three of the five goals were personal. And that just goes to show that I can help people with the whole purpose person. That’s the goal. Who are you as an individual? Let’s help you there get healthy. And then we can apply that to any context that can be work at home, volunteering.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:03:22]:
Again, any of those contexts. So it’s really fun. In the matter of. So when she came to me, three of the goals were she wasn’t talking with her mom. Her and her mom had been estranged. Her and her husband were good, but she knew there was something that could be better there. And her daughter, she had a 12 year old daughter who had recently gotten a cell phone, would come home from school and shut herself in her room until dinner. And after dinner she would do her required chores and she would go back in her room and she stayed there.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:03:50]:
She had no relationship with her daughter and she knew there was something missing. So what do we do? We help my client learn her own uniqueness. So she starts to see why she is being held back, why she’s feeling frustrated with different interactions. Where does she get energy? Where is she? What are her opportunities? And then we start working through all of these other issues around communication. Is she communicating in the healthiest way possible? Does she admit when she’s wrong? That’s a key thing. Does she know how to repair when she makes a mistake? Because we’re all humans, we’re not meant to be perfect. Why are we chasing perfection? It’s not actually helping us when we’re going that direction. If we can just embrace the fact that we’re not perfect and own our mistakes, we’re so much more profitable if we just simply say I’m wrong and repair.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:04:39]:
So as she started doing this, she started repairing with her daughter. And what she started doing is because she knows how to communicate in a healthy way now. She started asking these questions that allowed her daughter to be seen and to be known and to feel heard and safe. And she started creating and fostering a safe, healthy, collaborative environment. And her daughter started coming out of her room. By the end of our coaching, her daughter and her were setting up a three time a week session, they called it gossip hour, where she would leave work an hour early and then work an hour after the kids went to bed and she would go get her daughter and they would go for a walk or they would go to a coffee shop or do something together and they would just talk. Her daughter would download everything about her day and all the challenges she was having with friends or, you know, things she felt about boys or whatever the things she was going through. And it was just this safe place.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:05:32]:
By the end, she was repaired her relationship with her mother to the point that her mother was coming over weekly for dinner. Her and her husband were exploring becoming marriage coaches, and her daughter and her had completely transformed their relationship. On top of the fact that she was up for a promotion at work. And later even I’m like getting goosebumps as I’m talking about this later. Two months after our coaching, she got that job, she got that promotion. And so it just goes to show that it’s one thing to have the information, it’s one thing to have a coach that can deliver it, but if you’re not willing to put in the work, you’re not going to experience transformation. And so she had this complete mental and emotional and even physical transformation. She asked me at one point, she’s like, is this a diet program? Because I’ve lost five pounds.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:06:17]:
I was like, no. It just goes to show that your physical is coming in, improving because of your mental and emotional state. You’re learning how to flow in all of these other areas that you’re not being bogged down and distracted and you’re able to actually make intentional progress in all of these areas of your life.

James Kademan [01:06:33]:
Stress comes down, your body’s able to take care of itself better.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:06:35]:
Yep.

James Kademan [01:06:36]:
Fair.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:06:37]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:06:37]:
You know, it’s interesting you say that because when I was doing business coaching, it was rare, extremely rare that it wouldn’t turn into or lean into a life coaching session. And I remember, I want to say it was the second or third client that I had. She ended up in tears mentioning that she was going to get a divorce. And I remember thinking, oh no, I’m a business coach. But I’m like, I can’t just leave this woman all broken like this. I’m like, all right, we got a whiteboard here. Let’s figure this out. And that happened way more often than I anticipated.

James Kademan [01:07:13]:
Way more often.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:07:14]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:07:14]:
So, I mean, the. The.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:07:16]:
It’s who you are.

James Kademan [01:07:16]:
It’s one life, Right?

Molly Hildebrandt [01:07:17]:
Exactly. It’s like, just because you show up in a context doesn’t mean that you’re not still a human being. That’s the beauty of businesses that operate according to this information and use this information are truly able to create these generative cultures where they bring their. Their employees, bring their whole selves to work. That’s where they’re going to expand, experience that fulfillment. And that’s where organizations receive the benefit of lower attrition and more innovation, a creative environment, and they truly get to be these. These leaders in their industry. It’s because they’re honoring the whole person, not just this one piece of them.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:07:50]:
I’m a firm believer that individuals that show up to work without energy because of all these personal things that we’re talking about take. But if you show up to work with energy, you give fair. So that’s how. How can we teach people the principles so that regardless of the context, they’re whole and healthy?

James Kademan [01:08:08]:
I love it. Tell me a story about you helping someone, let’s say either gender. Right. And you’re helping them advance in just the way they are. Right. Business, professional life, all that kind of stuff. And the spouse doesn’t necessarily either like it or doesn’t think that they can keep up and feels. I don’t know if shunned is the right word, but left behind.

James Kademan [01:08:35]:
I think you know what I mean.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:08:36]:
I do.

James Kademan [01:08:37]:
Okay, Tell me about that.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:08:38]:
Can I clarify what I think you mean? So when you say shunned or left behind, do you mean, like, they’re, like, almost, like, jealous? Like they want that same thing or where they might be holding them back.

James Kademan [01:08:52]:
Not holding the spouse back, but the. You know, you see people grow.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:08:56]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:08:57]:
And there’s some people that are like, I want to take you down because I want you to be at my level versus just like, I want to go with you.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:09:03]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:09:03]:
And I feel like there’s some spouses that I see that want to hold back.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:09:07]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:09:08]:
Or why are you doing that.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:09:09]:
Yep.

James Kademan [01:09:10]:
Kind of thing. So tell me about that.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:09:12]:
I’ve had a couple of those, so I. I appreciate you saying that and sharing that. It’s this whole, like, working, you know, when you’re married, you’re connected you know, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. You’re sharing everything that you have, are, and do. Right? And so it’s like you are very much connected. So if one person’s not growing, that’s gonna limit the growth of the other person. So they can only grow to a certain degree. I’ve had this.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:09:37]:
There’s this woman that I know very well, and she’s decided to just grow regardless if her spouse is on board or not. And I’ve had it. So I’ll use two different examples. One is where the spouse is not on board and actually trying to hold her back. He is quite literally opposing everything. I’m not going to use the communication guidelines. I don’t care to know who I am. I don’t need you talking to me this certain way.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:10:03]:
Like, very much, very almost aggressive about her not using that information. And she feels very unsafe because she has learned about her triggers, and she’s looking to get in control of her mental and emotional health, and she’s starting to see where all of his triggers are. Right. We. We see the behavior of others a lot faster and sooner than we see it in ourselves. Right. So others will see our behavior before we see it ourselves. So, you know, he’s.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:10:32]:
She’s seeing all of this dysfunction and these challenges in their relationship, and it did absolutely hold her back because she allowed it to. I believe at the end of the day, she could choose to just continue using the information with or without his support. She can continue to know her triggers. She can continue to use healthy communication. She doesn’t need him to also do that. And then I have this other individual that I know very well, and she has chosen to just live her authentic life and chosen to surround herself with community and to continue growing and to continue going along. And just recently, her husband joined a gathering that she was at, and he’s slowly actually starting to come around to it because he sees how genuine and sincere she is, and she sees that he sees that she’s doing it for his benefit and really cares about him. And she’s not trying to change him per se, but she does want what’s best for him.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:11:29]:
So she’s going to be the best version of herself and support being as healthy as she can be around him. And when he’s being unhealthy or, dare I say, abusive, like, under the terms that we’ve discussed, she’ll confront him in a healthy way. You know, she’ll use the tools that I teach, that I train and confront him. Do you think that that’s for my benefit, when you speak to me that way, do you think, would it be okay with you if I spoke to you that way? Is this. Do you think I feel more safe or less safe when you communicate in that way? So just using it in a very loving, kind, caring way. But then she’s sharing everything she’s thinking and feeling every 48 hours. Yeah. And she’s keeping her mental health in a healthy place, and she’s surrounding herself with other healthy people so that she’s not doing it alone.

James Kademan [01:12:18]:
Fair.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:12:19]:
Interesting. So confronting in a healthy way is huge. And that’s part of that. That growth. We grow through confrontation. We grow through tension. If we’re just avoiding it or trying to, you know, get away from it, we’re not going to accept, experience that growth. So we have to be willing to embrace that tension to grow.

James Kademan [01:12:34]:
Diamonds are made under pressure. Right.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:12:36]:
There you go.

James Kademan [01:12:37]:
I love it. Molly, I would love to talk to you for another seven hours or so, but we’re limited on time here, so how can people find you?

Molly Hildebrandt [01:12:44]:
They can find me@mollyhildebrandt.com you can also find me on Instagram at the Molly.

James Kademan [01:12:50]:
Hildebrandt, Tell me a story about the the. Everybody puts a the in front of it. And I have to apologize. I’m not an Instagram guy, even though apparently it should be. You’re the. I’m gonna say at least fourth person in a row.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:03]:
Well, so I’m a huge. I’m a business coach. Right. So I love consistency. I love processes for everything. And I want my Instagram handle to be or I want my social handles to all be uniform and all be the same. So I’m TheMollyHildebrandt. On Facebook, on YouTube, on Instagram, on all the different social platforms, different variations of my name.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:25]:
Molly Hildebrandt or Molly underscore, like, all of those were taken on this platform, but not on this one. But not on this one. I wanted it to be the same on all of them, so the allowed me to have it be same the same on all of them.

James Kademan [01:13:39]:
Make it happen.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:40]:
Make it happen.

James Kademan [01:13:41]:
That makes sense. I guess. It didn’t even dawn I made the Hildebrandt is not exactly Smith, but I suppose it’s not rare.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:46]:
Yeah.

James Kademan [01:13:47]:
So fair. Well, Molly, thank you so much for being on the show.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:50]:
Thank you for having me.

James Kademan [01:13:51]:
This is cool. I keep running on this road for a long time.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:54]:
Me too.

James Kademan [01:13:55]:
We have to do it again.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:13:56]:
I love it.

James Kademan [01:13:57]:
This has been Authentic Business Adventures, the business program that brings you the struggle stories and triumphant successes of business owners across the land. We are locally underwritten by the Bank of Sun Prairie. If you’re watching or listening to this on the web, which you probably are, if you could do us a huge favor, give the big ol thumbs up. Subscribe and of course share with your entrepreneurial friends your oh my gosh, we got pretty much everyone here. People that don’t necessarily flow, people that need to know how to flow. Help me out here. There’s probably a laundry list.

Molly Hildebrandt [01:14:26]:
Those that want to improve their mental health, those that want to unlock their limitless energy, those that want to be more authentic and live a confident life.

James Kademan [01:14:36]:
If you haven’t checked those boxes, you’re probably in the wrong podcast. That’s fair. We’d like to thank you, our wonderful listeners as well as our guest, Molly Hildebrandt of Hildebrandt Consulting. Molly, can you tell us the website one more time?

Molly Hildebrandt [01:14:46]:
Mollyhildebrandt.com @TheMollyHildebrandt on Instagram.  Awesome.

James Kademan [01:14:53]:
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